The all new and improved Referendum thread.

[stopmeandslapme]

Think of all the civilising that the EU is doing in banana republics, like Malta - the current Maltese government has been getting slatted recently for handing out contracts to 'preferred' companies. Everyone knows some minister is getting a kick back. The EU have swooped in to kick some bollocks in, cutting funding for dodgey projects all over the show http://www.independent.com.mt/artic...-Coast-Road-and-Citadella-projects-6736153597

Apart from that they are funding some entrepreneur classes, that my kids are taking http://www.maltaenterprise.com/en/eye and they've set up schemes to **** over the local business 'import/export' cartel, by allowing us to order **** online from anywhere in Europe relatively cheaply https://www.shiplowcost.com/

So aye, I guess it may be hard to see the benefit of the EU when you live somewhere that's already a fairly non-corrupt neo-liberal wet dream, with good ****ing roads. But there's still plenty of Anglo-Germanic modernising to be done to these wogs

You want UK tax-payers to pay to modernise your tax haven home.

 

[EDGE.]

We have given the world the best things that exist in the world. From Irish literature....

still pmsl at this

 

[Ponders Revisited]

The EU is like the Scottish Premiership: a few clubs with adequate resources and facilities, but too many minnows feeding from the same trough.

Perhaps if a Super League of Europe could be formed, there may be a case for sticking together, but, as things stand, we are not benefiting from Ross County and Hamilton. Fair enough, the odd gem should be allowed in (St Mirren), yet the majority of clubs are subsidised by the few.

I'm all for leaving the EU. If we stay, I'll move to Switzerland to get away from it all...

 

[brb]

Really? Even if that is true it might have something to do with being able to replace their British staff with Eastern Europeans who will work harder and longer for less pay. Profit is their only concern.

Agree. Personally this sort of information would assure i vote no. Gordon Brown screwed the banking system of Britain and Cameron will screw us with a yes vote in the EU. People need to stop believing the crap reported in the media, i know it is hard to source info by other methods but anything is more reliable than the British Media and to follow the corporate elite is on par with the Fifa pigs trough.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

The French farmers, cheese-makers and wine merchants will be so enraged by our pulling out, they'll refuse to sell us their products.

Volkswagen and BMW will end all UK sales forthwith.

German sausages will rot rather than be sold in our supermarkets.

Italian pasta will have to be sourced via the Black Market.

Our dirty pound will no longer be welcome in the millions of EU bank accounts. The currencies of Poland, Slovakia and Latvia will hold sway with the EU masses.

No one needs the UK.

 

[Archers Road]

We trade with USA, China, etc, etc and have no say in their governance. What's the point of your comment?

Both those countries inpose trade barriers to protect their own industries and restrict imports. You do know that's what ****ed Volkswagen in the US? Or did you believe the stuff about emissions tests being designed to protect the environment? Those arbitrary emissions targets on imports are one of hundreds of trade resteictions routinely used around the world to restrict imports/exports in the car industry. If we are outside the EU and faced with similar barriers to trade with them, how long do you think Nissan, Land Rover, and the foreign owned Rolls Royce and Jaguar will retain their plants in the UK?

 

[brb]

Agree. Personally this sort of information would assure i vote no. Gordon Brown screwed the banking system of Britain and Cameron will screw us with a yes vote in the EU. People need to stop believing the crap reported in the media, i know it is hard to source info by other methods but anything is more reliable than the British Media and to follow the corporate elite is on par with the Fifa pigs trough.

oh and i forgot to add and once Gordon had finished screwing the banking system the good ole EU came along and banged the final nail in the coffin with their stupid rules, resulting in total collapse.

 

[Archers Road]

Ah yes fishing: banning the rest of Europe from over-fishing our territory would be an instant benefit. You do realise the EU pretty much killed off our once thriving fishing industry?

Nonsense. Iceland killed off our fishing industry, and our good friends the yanks forced us to swallow that one in a deal that allowed US subs to operate in Icelandic waters.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

The UK will have to struggle on without -
Romanian pickpockets and scammers
Kurdish Big Issue sellers
Eastern European booze bootleggers, drug dealers, pimps and fraudsters
Hungarian sandwich makers
Polish baristas
Slovakian fruit pickers

Somehow we will have to cope with -
Emptying our prisons of EU criminals
The saving of billions in benefits
The creation of our own Human Rights laws
Creating jobs for our indigenous unemployed

It's going to be a nightmare.

There are some legitimate reasons for remaining part of the EU, but I just don't feel like listing them at this moment in time.

 

[Archers Road]

oh and i forgot to add and once Gordon had finished screwing the banking system the good ole EU came along and banged the final nail in the coffin with their stupid rules, resulting in total collapse.

Your ignorance is astounding. Where to start? Gordon Brown ****ed the banking industry? Really? So an international banking crisis caused by an unregulated lending frenzy in the USA was caused by Gordon Brown was it? Do you actually know anything at all, about anything? Evidentally not, yet you have a vote. I despair.

 

[stopmeandslapme]

Both those countries inpose trade barriers to protect their own industries and restrict imports. You do know that's what ****ed Volkswagen in the US? Or did you believe the stuff about emissions tests being designed to protect the environment? Those arbitrary emissions targets on imports are one of hundreds of trade resteictions routinely used around the world to restrict imports/exports in the car industry. If we are outside the EU and faced with similar barriers to trade with them, how long do you think Nissan, Land Rover, and the foreign owned Rolls Royce and Jaguar will retain their plants in the UK?

Germany is inside the EU, are Volkswagen planning on moving to India?

 

[Mick O'Toon]

The UK will have to struggle on without -
Romanian pickpockets and scammers
Kurdish Big Issue sellers
Eastern European booze bootleggers, drug dealers, pimps and fraudsters
Hungarian sandwich makers
Polish baristas
Slovakian fruit pickers

Somehow we will have to cope with -
Emptying our prisons of EU criminals
The saving of billions in benefits
The creation of our own Human Rights laws
Creating jobs for our indigenous unemployed

It's going to be a nightmare.

There are some legitimate reasons for remaining part of the EU, but I just don't feel like listing them at this moment in time.

UKIP/Daily Mail manifesto

 

[Mick O'Toon]

Your ignorance is astounding. Where to start? Gordon Brown ****ed the banking industry? Really? So an international banking crisis caused by an unregulated lending frenzy in the USA was caused by Gordon Brown was it? Do you actually know anything at all, about anything? Evidentally not, yet you have a vote. I despair.

Leave him alone or Mick will employ a Romanian to moderate!

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. The free movement of people is a great thing. Yoos ****s are just racists.

 

[Deleted 1]

Nonsense. Iceland killed off our fishing industry, and our good friends the yanks forced us to swallow that one in a deal that allowed US subs to operate in Icelandic waters.

It wasn't helped by the fact that our own fishermen sold their licences to spanish fishermen who now fish freely on our register.
The real killer of the industry was over fishing and our own industry played a part in that. It's actually a triumph for the UK (and the Scandinavians) that the CFP has been reformed and stocks are now improving pretty quickly.

 

[Deleted 1]

The UK will have to struggle on without -
Romanian pickpockets and scammers
Kurdish Big Issue sellers
Eastern European booze bootleggers, drug dealers, pimps and fraudsters
Hungarian sandwich makers
Polish baristas
Slovakian fruit pickers

Somehow we will have to cope with -
Emptying our prisons of EU criminals
The saving of billions in benefits
The creation of our own Human Rights laws
Creating jobs for our indigenous unemployed

It's going to be a nightmare.

There are some legitimate reasons for remaining part of the EU, but I just don't feel like listing them at this moment in time.

I assume that those who want us to leave also want access to the European single market? If that's the case then free movement of EU nationals is a condition of that so you can still buy your sandwich from Gabor if you wish to do so

 

[stopmeandslapme]

I assume that those who want us to leave also want access to the European single market? If that's the case then free movement of EU nationals is a condition of that so you can still buy your sandwich from Gabor if you wish to do so

You appear to already know the terms of any newly negotiated trade agreement should we vote to leave.

 

[Archers Road]

Germany is inside the EU, are Volkswagen planning on moving to India?

I think you missed my point. Petty regulations at the point of import are standard practice in the motor industry worldwide; this is an example of what is meant by trade barriers. Currently our car manufacturers do not face such barriers when exporting Nissans and Range Rovers built in the UK to our partners in Europe. If we end up outside the EU we will be faced with those trade barriers, and it's not hard to imagine most of the foreign owned UK car plants relocating to continental Europe; they'd be mad not to. It would also be more expensive for you to buy a German or French manufactured vehicle because of course those trade barriers would work both ways.

 

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Ponders points:



Hungarian sandwich makers

Polish baristas

Slovakian fruit pickers


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Creating jobs for our indigenous unemployed


The indigenous unemployed are too lazy and/or believe they are too good to do those jobs .

 

[Deleted 1]

You appear to already know the terms of any newly negotiated trade agreement should we vote to leave.

Nope, not at all. I am basing it on Norway who has access to the single market and had to accept free movement in order to do so. You appear to think that we will be able to negotiate whatever we like - I prefer to look at precedents as they tend to be a more accurate guide.