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Euro vote, what's your pleasure?

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DevAdvocate said:
One of my issues is taking the European Parliament on trust. We could vote to stay in then they shaft us by failing to vote for the changes agreed by the EU leaders.

That's a gamble.
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Its all a gamble. It's all pretty much made up.

Few months of people with a set view pretending to have a reason for voting either way.
 
Ciaran said:
Its all a gamble. It's all pretty much made up.

Few months of people with a set view pretending to have a reason for voting either way.
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Really?

I think you will find the No vote more passionate than the yes vote, the latter then could have a problem if it is not passionate enough to get up off its backside to vote.

The public in general will see more evidence of reasons to leave than facts to stay. We know we contribute 8.5 Billion as has now been agreed, we know the eurozone failed Greece and Spain. We know about the massive migration influx. The media bombard us daily with news on ISIS, which will also have a negative affect regardless of its relevance.

But no one is producing hard factual evidence on why to stay in as far has I can see for our contribution, other than we have it good...but how?
 
stopmeandslapme said:
You seemed pretty convinced that it would be a massive mistake to vote "Out" but now you offer no reason for voting "In"?
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I think it would be a mistake because I think a stronger Europe best protects us.

Probably a bit racist but I think us Europeans are the greatest civilization in history. We have given the world the best things that exist in the world. From Irish literature to German ingenuity to British music to Italian style etc.

Greek and Roman civilization.

We are better together imo, especially as the world shrinks.

The fact that the Greeks pay in less than the Krauts means nothing to me.
 
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brb said:
Really?

I think you will find the No vote more passionate than the yes vote, the latter then could have a problem if it is not passionate enough to get up off its backside to vote.

The public in general will see more evidence of reasons to leave than facts to stay. We know we contribute 8.5 Billion as has now been agreed, we know the eurozone failed Greece and Spain. We know about the massive migration influx. the media bombard us daily with news on ISIS, which will also have a negative affect regardless of its relevance.

But no one is producing hard factual evidence on why to stay in as far has I can see for our contribution, other than we have it good...but how?
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Correct.
 
Ciaran said:
I think it would be a mistake because I think a stronger Europe best protects us.

Probably a bit racist but I think us Europeans are the greatest civilization in history. We have given the world the best things that exist in the world. From Irish literature to German ingenuity to British music to Italian style etc.

Greek and Roman civilization.

We are better together imo, especially as the world shrinks.

The fact that the Greeks pay in less than the Krauts means nothing to me.
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What does concern me is that as the likes of China, India and Brazil get bigger and richer, a solo UK/England would be dwarfed. Being part of the EU could give us a benefit in trade negotiations with them.
 
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stopmeandslapme said:
What does concern me is that as the likes of China, India and Brazil get bigger and richer, a solo UK/England would be dwarfed. Being part of the EU could give us a benefit in trade negotiations with them.
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China Brazil and India may be rich but they all treat the poorer in society as scum.

Is that what you aspire to?
 
stopmeandslapme said:
I am undecided, I may not vote at all. How come you are so sure of what to vote for? I think you see this as a left v right issue when really it isn't.
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No I don't see it as that at all. I don't like the unknown and think it will be worse if we pull out. I have also worked within the EU and believe that we get a better deal when we go in with open minds.
 
stopmeandslapme said:
I'm suggesting a reason to stay in. Perhaps one of you hardcore innies could come up with a reason or two, and by reason I mean a reasoned argument not conjecture.
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I think anyone in the no camp has a cheek accusing us of conjecture. The reasons for staying in are that we have stability ( more so as we are not in the Euro and opted out of closer political union) and we are not doing badly right now. The CEOs of the FTSE 100 companies all support staying in and, given they more about finance and geo politics than I do, I am happy to follow that.
The no camp are asking us to take a massive leap in the dark based on guesses and not facts. It's far too big a risk for my liking.
 
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Dan Starkey said:
I think anyone in the no camp has a cheek accusing us of conjecture. The reasons for staying in are that we have stability ( more so as we are not in the Euro and opted out of closer political union) and we are not doing badly right now. The CEOs of the FTSE 100 companies all support staying in and, given they more about finance and geo politics than I do, I am happy to follow that.
The no camp are asking us to take a massive leap in the dark based on guesses and not facts. It's far too big a risk for my liking.
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Well with their wage packets i'm sure they do.
 
Dan Starkey said:
I think anyone in the no camp has a cheek accusing us of conjecture. The reasons for staying in are that we have stability ( more so as we are not in the Euro and opted out of closer political union) and we are not doing badly right now. The CEOs of the FTSE 100 companies all support staying in and, given they more about finance and geo politics than I do, I am happy to follow that.
The no camp are asking us to take a massive leap in the dark based on guesses and not facts. It's far too big a risk for my liking.
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Really? Even if that is true it might have something to do with being able to replace their British staff with Eastern Europeans who will work harder and longer for less pay. Profit is their only concern.

Fear of the unknown will probably swing it for the innies.
 
Think of all the civilising that the EU is doing in banana republics, like Malta <whistle> - the current Maltese government has been getting slatted recently for handing out contracts to 'preferred' companies. Everyone knows some minister is getting a kick back. The EU have swooped in to kick some bollocks in, cutting funding for dodgey projects all over the show http://www.independent.com.mt/artic...-Coast-Road-and-Citadella-projects-6736153597

Apart from that they are funding some entrepreneur classes, that my kids are taking http://www.maltaenterprise.com/en/eye and they've set up schemes to **** over the local business 'import/export' cartel, by allowing us to order **** online from anywhere in Europe relatively cheaply https://www.shiplowcost.com/

So aye, I guess it may be hard to see the benefit of the EU when you live somewhere that's already a fairly non-corrupt neo-liberal wet dream, with good ****ing roads. But there's still plenty of Anglo-Germanic modernising to be done to these wogs <ok>
 
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