Thatcher Dies

[Red Hadron Collider]

You both want to try working in the voluntary sector, you can shove your public and private work rates up your arse then

It's a testament to your work-ethic that you actually find any time to come on here

 

[Jonesey]

I've not had a pay rise for about five years and since I work for a charity, it is fairly obvious that I don''t get profit shares either

I do get sick pay although it is near enough statutory bare minimum. However, as a self-employed body, I'm sure you'll get tax benefits (legit or not) that you quite like and nothing stops you paying into your own pension fund either

None that spring to mind

FYI I'm PAYE, not self employed, paid by an "umbrella" company

 

[mighty_stevie_g]

Either we all work nights or we're all lazy ****s to some degree being on here on a Thursday afternoon saying how everyone else takes the piss

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

It's a testament to your work-ethic that you actually find any time to come on here

Was expecting that, funnily enough, I was expecting it to be you too

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

None that spring to mind

FYI I'm PAYE, not self employed, paid by an "umbrella" company

Fair enough

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Either we all work nights or we're all lazy ****s to some degree being on here on a Thursday afternoon saying how everyone else takes the piss

I'm snowed under with work but I'm also alone in the office

 

[saintanton]

I'm self-employed and my boss is very understanding.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I'm self-employed and my boss is very understanding.

I'm employed but my boss is equally understanding

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

I'm self-employed and my boss is very understanding.

.

 

[PGFWhite]

I've worked both, I can compare. Or will you only accept it if I go and do time and motion surveys. If you've worked both and can't see it, you must be one of the waste of space workshy ****s I'm talking about.

I'm not actually. But I can confirm there are plenty of lazy ****ers in the private sector as well. It doesn't pay to make crass generalisations about people.

 

[PGFWhite]

You both want to try working in the voluntary sector, you can shove your public and private work rates up your arse then

I do my duty Gerrez! I've put in 15 hours plus per week into my local sports club for over 30 years - for free

 

[Milk Milk]

There are faults with unions, but anyone that thinks the working classes would have achieved a decent standard of living without them, and the Labour movement in general, is kidding themselves.

I'm not a huge fan of unions I think they are what led to Britain's decline in the 20th Century. However, I absolutely agree that they did a fantastic job early on in their founding to raise the profile and livelihood of the average man.

Like many things that start off noble
and well intentioned they got too powerful and in many cases ended up destroying the industries they represented.

No doubt labour unions were important to get us where we are today. They're like SOS... sometimes they do good important things... but it would be nice if there was an off switch for when they go too far.

 

[Foredeckdave]

I'm not a huge fan of unions I think they are what led to Britain's decline in the 20th Century. However, I absolutely agree that they did a fantastic job early on in their founding to raise the profile and livelihood of the average man.

Like many things that start off noble
and well intentioned they got too powerful and in many cases ended up destroying the industries they represented.

No doubt labour unions were important to get us where we are today. They're like SOS... sometimes they do good important things... but it would be nice if there was an off switch for when they go too far.

I would forward the economic argument that it was a mixture of piss poor management, the class system and 2 World Wars that led to the decline of the Uk as an economic and military power during the 20th Century.

 

[saintanton]

I'm not a huge fan of unions I think they are what led to Britain's decline in the 20th Century. However, I absolutely agree that they did a fantastic job early on in their founding to raise the profile and livelihood of the average man.

Like many things that start off noble
and well intentioned they got too powerful and in many cases ended up destroying the industries they represented.

No doubt labour unions were important to get us where we are today. They're like SOS... sometimes they do good important things... but it would be nice if there was an off switch for when they go too far.

The problem is they became politicised and their leaders were motivated to play the same games as politicians rather than seek the best for their members. I'm not arguing against the idea that they went too far, I've already said that that needed sorting, but the solution should have been to put the power back in the hands of the workers, not to take it away almost completely.

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

Let me give you an example, My missus is the company secretary for a huge company that was once publicly owned, and the union refused to accept an inflation busting pay rise because a handful of those original public employees would have lost a pittance of a mid-day meal allowance, that none of the newer employees even get, and so because the unions didn't want to accept that a few of the old timers would lose about £75 a year, compared with the few hundred quid pay rise they would be getting, they tried to stop the whole process. It defies logic, they were just like a dog with a stick, harming 95% of their members over this stupid little quirk that only benefited 5% of their members!

The public sector as a whole is a money pit, with automatic pay scales rises no matter how **** and useless you are at your job, piss taking sickness benefits, and people doing so little work that it takes 3 public employees to do the work of one person in the private sector, who don't get anywhere near the benefits.
These days Unions are about how much they can gouge out for their members, and less about protecting their basic rights. It is what you get when it is people's jobs to do nothing else but union business, they have to think up **** to make themselves relevant. I am all for protecting the workers from abuse, but their remit has to end there, common sense need to be brought back to stop these people going off on their ego boosting power trips.

I am anti-union, to a point, but I don't brown-nose, I do my job, and if I don't like how I am treated, I leave and get another job, as I have a skillset that people need, so I can look after myself without arse licking or hiding behind a union, so that blows your ****ing stupid theory out the water.

It's not the 1820's anymore, many workplaces don't accept unions, and they are good places to work, as the owners know that you have to treat your workforce well to get the most out of them, and to attract the best staff. I do accept that 10 a penny unskilled workers do need protection, but they should not be protected to the point where my taxes and rates are used to let them do **** all and moan about how hard their life is.

I think the bankers would disagree with you there. You know, the arseholes in the PRIVATE SECTOR who have gone and screwed everything up. The Unions fight/fought for the working rights of the working class.

 

[Zingy]

I'm self-employed and my boss is very understanding.

Not sure I understand what you mean.

 

[johnnywarksmoustache]

Regardless of what you think of the woman she is dead and glorifying this shows a basic lack of human decency - she is dead and cannot be affected by the taunts but her family are grieving and don't really need a bunch of spiteful bastards glorifying in her death. I wonder how the families of the likes of Bob Crowe/Glenda Jackson/George Galloway would feel if they get the same treatment when they shake of their collective mortal coils.

Thatcher has had dementia for a decade and no political influence for 20 or so years so why so many young people are out in the streets celebrating is beyond me. Even if you hate her she has suffered a slow decline and death and that should be enough for you.

I don't think a minutes silence at this weekends games is appropriate but neither is rejoicing in the death of an old woman.

Decency to your friends is effortless, decency to your enemies shows class. Compassion costs nothing, bitterness achieves nothing.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

I think the bankers would disagree with you there. You know, the arseholes in the PRIVATE SECTOR who have gone and screwed everything up. The Unions fight/fought for the working rights of the working class.

Bankers would disagree. But the private sector does contain other people than just bankers.

In addition, (and I'm not trying to defend bankers) but they do work long hours and their salary + bonus per hour is probably on par with people in other industries.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I do my duty Gerrez! I've put in 15 hours plus per week into my local sports club for over 30 years - for free

Fair do's

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Regardless of what you think of the woman she is dead and glorifying this shows a basic lack of human decency - she is dead and cannot be affected by the taunts but her family are grieving and don't really need a bunch of spiteful bastards glorifying in her death. I wonder how the families of the likes of Bob Crowe/Glenda Jackson/George Galloway would feel if they get the same treatment when they shake of their collective mortal coils.

Thatcher has had dementia for a decade and no political influence for 20 or so years so why so many young people are out in the streets celebrating is beyond me. Even if you hate her she has suffered a slow decline and death and that should be enough for you.

I don't think a minutes silence at this weekends games is appropriate but neither is rejoicing in the death of an old woman.

Decency to your friends is effortless, decency to your enemies shows class. Compassion costs nothing, bitterness achieves nothing.

Totally, utterly and completely wrong.