Thatcher dead!

[PGFWhite]

As I said about public school boys who are the politicians of the country previously a number of times. They have no concept of struggle and no concept of work and graft. I'm not disagreeing with you on that.

But I disagree on the unions, they had to much power and needed to be brought down, Scargill was equally a pawn, one that was backed by the extreme left wing, or communists for short. His ilk in other unions were the same, read the Newcastle thread on how they destroyed the shipping industry up north, they are responsible for that and others. Like knackered said about the steel works with people working there with jobs for life.

You say going back to the Victorian age, I very much doubt that, I very much doubt any oppressive government like they have in the Middle East will ever be here.

Also does my 8% pay rise gets your gander up ? I have worked damned hard to be successful, is that insulting to you that someone works hard and gets rewarded for it ? The reason I gave that bit information is just to highlight the fact you don't need union agreements to get a good deal from companies, they offered it we accepted. Not difficult decision really.

No- your 8% pay rise doesn’t bother me personally. But Big Dave says we are all in this together and when people are not getting a pay rise for many years and others are clearly getting pay rises then that shoots down Dave’s bullshit.

The unions have no power and never have had any real power. The iluminati have the power. The unions are a mere irritant to the capitalists and when they get too big for their boots they have been destroyed.

You mentioned that you do not need a union but you also mentioned you have a specific skill set. 95% of the population do not have that. Locally in Swansea places like Amazon and the call centres are treating their workers like ****. Cast aside after three months and new faces brought in. For many people theit trade union is their only protection – if they are lucky enough to have a union to belong to. Who are your real enemies – the unions or the illuminati?

People can’t get mortgages because they have no job security. If you can’t get a mortgage, what do you do? Rent. Who picks up the rent – landlords. You put that on a national level and the fat cats are getting fatter.

There are choices in life. You will never be part of the illuminate – they had to put up with Murdoch because of his press power,but he was never one of them. You may think you will be OK because of your current job situation. But jobs get pulled and unless you can get another immediate job then you are vulnerable.
The country’s infrastructure is being reduced to skelektal form and there may be a point in your life when you or your family have to rely on it. Hopefully not.

Thatchers death for many is symbolic of a small pillar of the capitalist system being broken. For many who suffered the consequences of her policies they are expressing their anger - it is sad it has come to this, but if you live by the sword you die by it. It may seem distasteful, but that is how it is. Thatcher created a selfish greedy uncaring "society" through her policies - in death she may be a victim of her own actions. We would never have behaved like this thirty years ago.

 

[Jager]

PGF would it surprise you to learn that I don't have enemies ? I live my life and get on with things. But everyone has opportunities in life it's about grabbing those and going with it.

I don't really consider myself anything special, I left school at 16 and hated it there. I spent a couple of years on yts schemes then got into an industry that allowed me to travel, that I did for almost 20 years. I then went back to education and got a degree, that may I add the government paid for.

I then eventually got into the business I'm in now, after 5 years of hard work I'm in a good position. It took a lot of hard work and to work for a good family owned company.

The point I'm trying to make is that you don't need unions or governments to succeed, you just need to grab the opportunities as they arise, not be afraid to work hard, and not rely on others to do things

 

[PGFWhite]

PGF would it surprise you to learn that I don't have enemies ? I live my life and get on with things. But everyone has opportunities in life it's about grabbing those and going with it.

I don't really consider myself anything special, I left school at 16 and hated it there. I spent a couple of years on yts schemes then got into an industry that allowed me to travel, that I did for almost 20 years. I then went back to education and got a degree, that may I add the government paid for.

I then eventually got into the business I'm in now, after 5 years of hard work I'm in a good position. It took a lot of hard work and to work for a good family owned company.

The point I'm trying to make is that you don't need unions or governments to succeed, you just need to grab the opportunities as they arise, not be afraid to work hard, and not rely on others to do things

Yes - but it doesn't always work like that! In a perfect world we would not need trade unions. Trade unions were formed because of greedy capitalist bastards who treated their workforces like ****! Unfortunately we are heading back that way.

 

[Jager]

Yes - but it doesn't always work like that! In a perfect world we would not need trade unions. Trade unions were formed because of greedy capitalist bastards who treated their workforces like ****! Unfortunately we are heading back that way.

The point is that most companies don't treat their employees like ****, you point out amazon , I point out admiral insurance. There is good and bad situations in most walks of life. I know a few working for amazon by the way and have been there since they opened, they think they are good employers. Though they do employ temporary staff to work the Christmas period.

 

[PGFWhite]

The point is that most companies don't treat their employees like ****, you point out amazon , I point out admiral insurance. There is good and bad situations in most walks of life. I know a few working for amazon by the way and have been there since they opened, they think they are good employers. Though they do employ temporary staff to work the Christmas period.

Depends who you talk too! Admiral have a good reputation. Amazon has been shocking for a while - it may have got better because they have run out of people to sack/not renew their contract! What is going on in some of the telephone call centres though is a disgrace.

 

[Jager]

Depends who you talk too! Admiral have a good reputation. Amazon has been shocking for a while - it may have got better because they have run out of people to sack/not renew their contract! What is going on in some of the telephone call centres though is a disgrace.

Think we are getting close to agreement here lol , my niece has been sacked twice by call centres, one was closed down for their illegal practices, and the other sacked all the people they took on from the former because X-ray did a programme about the practices.

There are good and bad employers, shame there didn't appear to be good and bad governments, IMO they are all the same.

 

[Hilts24]

PGF would it surprise you to learn that I don't have enemies ? I live my life and get on with things. But everyone has opportunities in life it's about grabbing those and going with it.

I don't really consider myself anything special, I left school at 16 and hated it there. I spent a couple of years on yts schemes then got into an industry that allowed me to travel, that I did for almost 20 years. I then went back to education and got a degree, that may I add the government paid for.

I then eventually got into the business I'm in now, after 5 years of hard work I'm in a good position. It took a lot of hard work and to work for a good family owned company.

The point I'm trying to make is that you don't need unions or governments to succeed, you just need to grab the opportunities as they arise, not be afraid to work hard, and not rely on others to do things

You did ok - good for you.

You seriously think all of those who lost their jobs (thousands and thousands) could have done the same in the mid 80s.?????

I accept a small minority could have.

However the vast majority never stood a chance.

If you believe otherwise theres no point in debating.

Lets face it you defend her as you did well - its the im allright thing - thats ok.

But just admit it. Maybe you feel better in yourself thinking everyone could have done the same.

There simply wasnt the jobs there for the vast majority of thousands sent on the dole. Then there was less spending - shops shut, pubs shut , people left on benefits.

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[Jager]

Everybody is different, there are opportunities even now to do things. To simply say that in 3 decades there are no chances for jobs etc is just bullshit. Some of my friends who worked in the mines retrained and went into other careers, if they could do it then why couldn't others ?

Thatcher has a lot to answer for the same as other politicians who have done nothing but lined their own pockets. Blair and Brown are directly responsible for this recession now, they had chances to put things right, what did they do ? Yes fuel huge debt, people now are losing their jobs, houses and have huge debts.

Businesses now are closing, comet, mfi, jessops and so on, is that thatchers fault ? Or could it be that Blair and brown have fueled the boom and bust cycle, and we are in the longest recession in modern times because of it.

Blame thatcher if you wish for what she did, but lets face facts here, more people are losing jobs faster than they did 3 decades ago, more businesses are going out of business, and more people working for the government are losing their jobs than ever. I treat every politician with equal contempt, they are all responsible for the way the government runs.

 

[Pete from Crete]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-tax-snatcher-mystery-1828441

Surprise,surprise!

 

[Jager]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-tax-snatcher-mystery-1828441

Surprise,surprise!

Yes surprise surprise

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...airs-earnings-soar-42--pays-315-000-HMRC.html

 

[ValleyGraduate12]

Yes surprise surprise

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...airs-earnings-soar-42--pays-315-000-HMRC.html

I don't find this a surprise Jager as Tony Blair is more of a Tory than the Tories themselves.

 

[Jager]

I know mate, but they are all at it, just look at the expenses scandal where most MPs from across the board were claiming for their plasma TVs and cleaning their moats. If this was you or I we probably be done for fraud and sent down.

 

[DragonPhilljack]

The elite educational sites in this country are the breeding ground for the illuminati who run this country. You talk about whether your face fits on the assembly line at Fords. Try getting in with these lads. They are the powerbrokers who run the country no matter what government are in charge. They are the "elite" - the ones who reap all the rewards from the hardwork of our citizens and are sitting on unimaginable wealth. Through their system of contacts they start wars for their own economic purposes (Mark Thatcher and the Dogs of War/Who really pressesd the red button to go into Iraq/who was on the plane with David Cameron when we "liberated" Libya from Saddam). their cash is stuffed into offshore bank accounts and offshore companies to avoid paying tax which would ensure that we could all have a reasonable standard of living.

The miners strike was the great class struggle of our generation. For once, there was a real threat to the establishment, the elite, the bullingdon boys and their cronies. The threat had to be put down and the whole force of the state, included the military and secret services was put behind it.

Thatcher was a puppet but she accepted her role with glee pursuing her own right wing ideology and destroyed vast swathes of industry and ruined communities. Rather than phase it in over a period of time to allow communities to adapt her goverment reaped economic vandalism on our country. She didn't believe in society - so she destroyed it.

Which brings us to our own area - South Wales. Large areas destroyed by Thatcher and many of our own 606 boys have obviously suffered the consequences. So when you glorify the unions getting slammed under Thatcher and call them the scum of the earth, you may find you get an adverse reaction.

Blair - he was more right wing than Thatcher and the Labour party no longer represents the working class. Cameron and the current day Tories have got a free reign. The donkeywork was done by Thatcher - all they have to do is break the Civil Service and then it is job done. The race to the bottom is on - your 8% pay rise could easily turn into a 50% pay cut. Holidays and employement rights - F*** them. We are on our way back to the Victorian workshops. Do you like soup - you better had because there will be no welfare state to fall back on.

Unions -who needs them?

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.....That's it a in a nutshell! Top post PGF, most on here would not disagree with any of that, well except Jager of course!...............


PS: Interesting this, at least the Irish have some backbone against the Tory Nazi party:

Martin McGuinness again criticised Prime Minister David Cameron during his speech. "He had no answers on the mess his government has made on the issue of corporation tax and he had even less to say on the issue of what has become known as welfare reform," he said. "Let me be clear, Sinn Fein will resist this onslaught on the most vulnerable. We will not tolerate the introduction of a 'bedroom tax'. "We will deploy a petition of concern on this clause if it is brought to the floor of the assembly." - BBC Ireland

 

[Jager]

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.....That's it a in a nutshell! Top post PGF, most on here would not disagree with any of that, well except Jager of course!...............


PS: Interesting this, at least the Irish have some backbone against the Tory Nazi party:

You're jesting of course Sinn Fein are former terrorists who killed people, they shouldn't be in politics but in jail, they endorsed murder and are utter **** heads. I'm shocked you have the nerve to quote that ****er on here, thatcher was many things, but she didn't murder people

 

[DragonPhilljack]

Jager you lost the debate yonks ago, give it a rest, we all know Blair is a snake in the grass with a top hat on, but this is about the Thatcher witch, who the public are paying for her funeral, while she and her family are tax dodgers, mind so is every politician in that whore house!..............

 

[Monty Fisto]

If you came from a mining community that Thatcher ruined you have every right to hate her. For pretty much everyone else though she did a lot of good. Shutting down the coal mines affected 1000's of lives, but subsidising those loss making state owned dinosaur industries was negatively affecting almost everyone else. I think the people who view her as evil must admit that she was a necessary evil.

 

[DragonPhilljack]

You're jesting of course Sinn Fein are former terrorists who killed people, they shouldn't be in politics but in jail, they endorsed murder and are utter **** heads. I'm shocked you have the nerve to quote that ****er on here, thatcher was many things, but she didn't murder people

I'm not jesting at all, at least he's looking after the most vunerable in Ireland, which one of those pricks either side of the political divide has stood against these changes over here?

 

[PGFWhite]

If you came from a mining community that Thatcher ruined you have every right to hate her. For pretty much everyone else though she did a lot of good. Shutting down the coal mines affected 1000's of lives, but subsidising those loss making state owned dinosaur industries was negatively affecting almost everyone else. I think the people who view her as evil must admit that she was a necessary evil.

And what about taxpayers money subsidising loss making banks? Are they shut down? A necessary evil allowed to continue - why? Whose interests are being protected?

 

[Jager]

Jager you lost the debate yonks ago, give it a rest, we all know Blair is a snake in the grass with a top hat on, but this is about the Thatcher witch, who the public are paying for her funeral, while she and her family are tax dodgers, mind so is every politician in that whore house!..............

Phil I've lost nothing ! You linking to terrorist bastards is sickening! You blaming thatcher for tax dodging when all them are doing it including Blair is laughable! Don't you get it all of them are snakes in the grass , there's not an honest one amongst them !

 

[Jager]

I'm not jesting at all, at least he's looking after the most vunerable in Ireland, which one of those pricks either side of the political devide has stood against these changes over here?

Yes they certainly did look after the vulnerable, until recently they did by blowing up people, and killing our soldiers, no small portion being welsh !