Thatcher dead!
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.. just think you are a bit naiive Knackered (and no offense mate) ... even Mugabe and Saddam had family so any distinction out of respect for relatives etc is a little flimsy ...
Personally I don't revel in Thatcher's death - I wouldn't in anyones - but I didn't respect her or her politics
She went to war with the working classes with the intent of further widening the wealth gap between the haves and have nots
She took away free school milk for ALL kids whilst secretary for education
She viewed all football fans as hooligans yet held close many world leaders in very dodgy if not downright corrupt or immoral regimes
She had delusions of grandeur - "We are a gradmother" hence the humourous joke about calling the then new pound coin 'the Thatcher' on the basis that it was thick, brassy and thought it should be a sovereign
... and to top it all, a son who inherited her power hungry aspirations to the point of attempting a coup in Africa.
I won't be mourning - but at the same time I feel no need to dance around the coffin either.
I can respect that, Fosse.
As for "even Mugabe and Saddam had family so any distinction out of respect for relatives etc is a little flimsy ... "
I think you'll find that Saddam's family were also murderers. The distinction is easy because Saddam and Mugabe have been directly involved in ordering the killing of their political opponents. Saddam was actually filmed at a rally when he did so. With a wave of his hand his opponents were taken out into a back alley and executed. This is fact. Mugabe hasn't been quite so brazen but the murder of white farmers in Zimbabe as well as political opponents makes it difficult to have any sympathy for his family, particularly as his wife is known as 'Gucci Grace' because she spends thousands on shoes whilst most Zimbabweans starve.
Comparing such heinous monsters to a democratically elected politician in this country is risible.
As for "even Mugabe and Saddam had family so any distinction out of respect for relatives etc is a little flimsy ... "
I think you'll find that Saddam's family were also murderers. The distinction is easy because Saddam and Mugabe have been directly involved in ordering the killing of their political opponents. Saddam was actually filmed at a rally when he did so. With a wave of his hand his opponents were taken out into a back alley and executed. This is fact. Mugabe hasn't been quite so brazen but the murder of white farmers in Zimbabe as well as political opponents makes it difficult to have any sympathy for his family, particularly as his wife is known as 'Gucci Grace' because she spends thousands on shoes whilst most Zimbabweans starve.
Comparing such heinous monsters to a democratically elected politician in this country is risible.
Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any other powerful man, any man who is responsible for other people, like a senator or a president.
Kay Adams: You know how naive you sound?
Michael Corleone: Why?
Kay Adams: Senators and presidents don't have men killed.
Michael Corleone: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?
This thread is a bit of an eye-opener for me. I fully understand that Margaret Thatcher was intensely disliked in mining communitities throughout the UK but I hadn't realised this hatred was so deep-seated 23 years after she left power that people would REJOICE in her death. Like her or loathe her, surely she deserves a bit more respect than that.
Jager Scargill waS anything but a scumbag a true leader in every sense of the word, vilified by a tory press hell bent on spewing out lie after lie about the miners strike, and a media that was invited to No 10 prior to the strike given champagne and caviar and told by thatcher and her cronies on how they should report the strike, and they duly complied much of it lies just to make thatcher out to be the defender of democracy, when in fact all she was was a dictator, made sure she paid the armed forces,police and secret service plenty of cash so they could declare war on the honest working man in this country, which is what they did i personally was subjected to violence and harrassment because i chose to fight for my job, little kids and women in mining communities who were set upon by police dogs and knocked over by police horses, police waving wads of cash at us striking miners , the people in this country and it would appear that you were one of them were fed lie after lie about the strike and you were all taken in by it, scargill said the truth from day one and events since have proved he was telling the truth, now as for thatcher and her cronies the events of that strike will come to light and when the truth comes out the british people will be shocked by the measures thatcher had to take to beat the finest body of men to grace this island, thatcher was the real enemy within and i rejoice at her passing a GREAT DAY for the british miner of which i was once very proud to be a part of, and a industry that was far from failing
bony very true but i am only reliving my own personal experience of that time, the whole country suffered
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-judy-garlands-1819526
Would be very awkward if this reaches #1.
Would be very awkward if this reaches #1.
Mabon I'm sorry but Scargill was a complete and utter scumbag. He was all that was wrong with the unions at that time, they wanted all the power and didn't give a toss on who went to the wall. The 70s and early 80s was all about the unions.
These left wing communist backed unions were intent on breaking the country, whilst I didn't like thatcher I can see why she did it. To rid Britain of such people who are not voted in but wield so much power.
She was voted in 3 times, and the conservatives held power until 1997, the electorate had plenty of chances to rid themselves of the conservatives but didn't. I for one think that though I didn't vote for them myself, thatcher was probably the best thing to happen to the country.
As for the current crop of politicians they all sicken me, the lot of them labour, conservatives, lib dems and plaid cymru , also the lessor parties I haven't mentioned are the same. None of them deserve to run our country, they are just faceless grey suited people in the mold of John major, boring with no passion, no answers and probably eating peas like spitting image had him
Maggie at least had a passion and wouldn't take crap from other countries, the unions or her own cabinet members.
These left wing communist backed unions were intent on breaking the country, whilst I didn't like thatcher I can see why she did it. To rid Britain of such people who are not voted in but wield so much power.
She was voted in 3 times, and the conservatives held power until 1997, the electorate had plenty of chances to rid themselves of the conservatives but didn't. I for one think that though I didn't vote for them myself, thatcher was probably the best thing to happen to the country.
As for the current crop of politicians they all sicken me, the lot of them labour, conservatives, lib dems and plaid cymru , also the lessor parties I haven't mentioned are the same. None of them deserve to run our country, they are just faceless grey suited people in the mold of John major, boring with no passion, no answers and probably eating peas like spitting image had him
Maggie at least had a passion and wouldn't take crap from other countries, the unions or her own cabinet members.
Arthur Scargill, with his opinions and also his physical appearance, was an easy target for the Tory controlled press ... but what he was 100% correct on was that if the Tories managed to engineer a split in the miners solidarity by having a good proportion of them break off to join the UDM (which they achieved) then it would be the death of the mining industry in this country not just for those miners still in the NUM but also for the UDM pits too - as transpired. This, despite the UK continuing importing cheap coal from the rest of Europe. It was all about profit and greed and far less to do with whether coal mining was sustainable in the longer term - and coal mining wasn't the only industry to suffer - manufacturing in the UK generally was the absolute target ... far more money to be earned by already wealthy owners via 'offshoring'.
Arthur was a bit of a prat to be fair and did himself no favours with some of his own publicity driven antics - but rather like Neil Kinnock, his real crime was having a physical appearance and hair style that could be vilified by the Tory dominated press ... hence the emergence of politicians in the mould of Tony Blair and David Cameron ... average politicians but media neutral ... Ed Miliband can wipe the floor with the tories as often as he likes (and he crucified them in his budget response) but I suspect that his rather irritating nasaly whining voice will be made to count for far more by the press than his policies in a general election campaign ...
Arthur was a bit of a prat to be fair and did himself no favours with some of his own publicity driven antics - but rather like Neil Kinnock, his real crime was having a physical appearance and hair style that could be vilified by the Tory dominated press ... hence the emergence of politicians in the mould of Tony Blair and David Cameron ... average politicians but media neutral ... Ed Miliband can wipe the floor with the tories as often as he likes (and he crucified them in his budget response) but I suspect that his rather irritating nasaly whining voice will be made to count for far more by the press than his policies in a general election campaign ...
Mabon - remember there are two sides to that story. Won't say any more.
Just goes to show that Thatcher is now perceived as either the wrecker of people's lives or the saviour of a nation that was rapidly going down the pan. I can see both sides of that and can respect both views, but whatever the case to positively revel in an 87 year old former politician's death when she'd been suffering from Alzheimer's is sad and this has really brought out the worse side in people. Like Aswan, I'm genuinely shocked.
Just goes to show that Thatcher is now perceived as either the wrecker of people's lives or the saviour of a nation that was rapidly going down the pan. I can see both sides of that and can respect both views, but whatever the case to positively revel in an 87 year old former politician's death when she'd been suffering from Alzheimer's is sad and this has really brought out the worse side in people. Like Aswan, I'm genuinely shocked.
.. by a minority of the people of the UK and via an electroral system that could give a single seat to an inner city borough with a population of 50,000 countered by a seat for for a small southern hamlet with a name like Chipping Inbred with a population of of 3,000 ...
Very true knackered and after 28 years we are still awaiting the truth from the tories from that time, unfortunately we will have to wait 30 years after the witches death to get that
And i make no apologies for rejoicing in her passing, its been a long time coming and furthermore i think it is a disgrace that my taxes are going in to bank roll her funeral, disgracefull
Think it reflects on you Mabon, to rejoice that someone is dead is very sad, every life is precious, and most people contribute. She did nothing but put this country on a secure footing, and was elected even after the miners strike to continue. That means the majority of the electorate were happy for her to run the country.
She was a strong person in charge of a country teetering on the brink of being permanently damaged by left wing union activists, with their own agendas, and with the backing of people or countries that were looking to run the uk through the back door.
Now look at the idiots we have here today, Cameron an utter sycophant who is a disaster on legs, Clegg so far up Cameron's ass I don't where he ends and Clegg starts. Milliband another politician in the mold of Blair who will spin a load of crap just to get elected.
The rest of the parties are insignificant and not worthy of my contempt of them, basically they can be described as blinkered or racist ****ers.
She was a strong person in charge of a country teetering on the brink of being permanently damaged by left wing union activists, with their own agendas, and with the backing of people or countries that were looking to run the uk through the back door.
Now look at the idiots we have here today, Cameron an utter sycophant who is a disaster on legs, Clegg so far up Cameron's ass I don't where he ends and Clegg starts. Milliband another politician in the mold of Blair who will spin a load of crap just to get elected.
The rest of the parties are insignificant and not worthy of my contempt of them, basically they can be described as blinkered or racist ****ers.
