That Mirallas tackle

[Tobes]

So in your view, and that of others like you, Suarez will always be punished, again & again for an offense he committed years ago, no matter what the circumstances and never judged on the current incident?

Glad you're not the Justice Secretary. Nobody would ever leave prison.

Not even close to what I said or intimated, try again.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

There might not be a collective hidden agenda against Suarez but certain individuals in authority within the game need to get rid of their preordained view of him when he's on the receiving end of things.

It's the naughty boy in class syndrome. Whatever happens, it's his fault and like the naughty boy, he has brought a lot of it on himself. But we're not talking about teachers and school here so each incident should be treated separately no matter how hard it is to ignore reputation -and it is - there's a lot at stake in each game for a lot of people!

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

So in your view, and that of others like you, Suarez will always be punished, again & again for an offense he committed years ago, no matter what the circumstances and never judged on the current incident?

Glad you're not the Justice Secretary. Nobody would ever leave prison.

How're things on the job front mate?

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I understand what Tobes means. Suarez has a reputation for play acting / over exaggerating things. If he's on the floor hurt like on Saturday, the ref doubts it because he does it all the times even when not actually touched. If someone like Jamie Carragher rolls on the floor in agony, the ref knows it is genuine. Its not a ongoing punishment because of who he is, its because of what he's already do to build a reputation.

 

[Tobes]

It's the naughty boy in class syndrome. Whatever happens, it's his fault and like the naughty boy, he has brought a lot of it on himself. But we're not talking about teachers and school here so each incident should be treated separately no matter how hard it is to ignore reputation -and it is - there's a lot at stake in each game for a lot of people!

That's of course correct, but we're talking about decisions at the margins here.

If you're a referee who's had a split second to view an incident & it's not clear cut from the angle you've seen it & the player in question has previous history for whatever type of incident it is, then it's human nature to either err on the side of caution, in case you're having a mug made of you. Or conversely to come down against the player who might have previous of bad challenges etc.

It'll always be the same until referees are given off field assistance, to eradicate any form of guesswork.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

I understand what Tobes means. Suarez has a reputation for play acting / over exaggerating things. If he's on the floor hurt like on Saturday, the ref doubts it because he does it all the times even when not actually touched. If someone like Jamie Carragher rolls on the floor in agony, the ref knows it is genuine. Its not a ongoing punishment because of who he is, its because of what he's already do to build a reputation.

A refs job isn't based on what he's seen on TV or been told/read in the papers etc its based on fairness and neutrality of the game he's officiating in at any given time.
If a ref doesn't abide by those rules his morals are worse than the player he's targeted.

 

[astro]

Referee's will come up with any reason they can (home crowd, bullying manager, player pressure, past history of player, past history of fixture, past history of refereeing decisions, too early in the game, toobig an event) to NOT apply the rules of the game.

Since neither Mirallas nor Rooney were charged under the new rules system then the referee must have claimed in their reports they saw the incident in full and for some reason decided not to apply the rules of the game which demanded a red card. Fine if they are too arrogant to admit a minor mistake then they should be fired for gross incompetence if they do something like that more than a couple of times in a season.

There are too few referees so the small pool know they can get away with anything and just make the decision that is easiest for themselves at the time. We need fast track of ex-professionals and opening up jobs for referees from foreign countries. A bit of competition to sort the arrogant ****s out.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

A refs job isn't based on what he's seen on TV or been told/read in the papers etc its based on fairness and neutrality of the game he's officiating in at any given time.
If a ref doesn't abide by those rules his morals are worse than the player he's targeted.

Absolutely. But when something happens where they are unsure and therefore look at reactions as a gauge, reputations come into it too. Its on natural human behaviour.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Going back to Suarez, you only have to look at the amount of times he gets kicked and doesn't get free kicks - hence the need to exaggerate contact etc etc. Not condoning it but sometimes being honest isn't enough - I think Coleman could have had a penalty against Spurs but he stayed on his feet and took a shot. Clear penalty, but because he didn't go down, it wasn't given.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

That's of course correct, but we're talking about decisions at the margins here.

If you're a referee who's had a split second to view an incident & it's not clear cut from the angle you've seen it & the player in question has previous history for whatever type of incident it is, then it's human nature to either err on the side of caution, in case you're having a mug made of you. Or conversely to come down against the player who might have previous of bad challenges etc.

It'll always be the same until referees are given off field assistance, to eradicate any form of guesswork.

In Saturday's incident there was a 'clear cut' that should have helped the ref get the decision right. I agree with the rest of what you've said. The only thing I will add to it is that refs never stopped being conned by Drogba and Ronaldo for exactly the same thing.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

Absolutely. But when something happens where they are unsure and therefore look at reactions as a gauge, reputations come into it too. Its on natural human behaviour.

And that's why they have a committee to decide if they're doing there job properly, but even they overlook blatant errors of judgment and bias by so called top referees.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Going back to Suarez, you only have to look at the amount of times he gets kicked and doesn't get free kicks - hence the need to exaggerate contact etc etc. Not condoning it but sometimes being honest isn't enough - I think Coleman could have had a penalty against Spurs but he stayed on his feet and took a shot. Clear penalty, but because he didn't go down, it wasn't given.

This is part of the diving/making a meal of it problem. The referees HAVE to give freekicks and penalties whether the player goes down or not. Players won't stop doing it if they get no reward as a result.

 

[jenners04]

refs make mistakes regardless of who the player in question is just have to accept they will be prone to mistakes and always be ****e, what pisses me off about this bollocks is the fact it should have been red, the player himself thought he was getting red, yet nothing was done afterwards.

there may not be a conspiracy going on, but i bet the ****ing reaction and action from the fa and MEDIA esp will be dif if it was Suarez who had got away with a challenge like that.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

And that's why they have a committee to decide if they're doing there job properly, but even they overlook blatant errors of judgment and bias by so called top referees.

I wasn't saying it was right for refs to do it, just that its human nature. There are a few refs that should be "relegated" this weekend.

 

[Tobes]

Going back to Suarez, you only have to look at the amount of times he gets kicked and doesn't get free kicks - hence the need to exaggerate contact etc etc. Not condoning it but sometimes being honest isn't enough - I think Coleman could have had a penalty against Spurs but he stayed on his feet and took a shot. Clear penalty, but because he didn't go down, it wasn't given.

But the root cause of the reason he's maybe not got a few decisions that he might have, is the fact that he gained a reputation for diving. To make out that he's developed his diving to offset the decisions he fails to get, is denying the truth.

Coleman should have gone down under the challenge, as it was a foul, but once he stayed on his feet & had a shot, he was never going to get a penalty. Again merely human nature at play.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

I feel sorry for refs. We can criticise them as well want but they're under a lot of pressure to make quick decisions which comes with a lot of responsibility. They get pressure from both sets of fans, and 20 odd players on the pitch. It's a thankless task.

They will make mistakes, they will be conned, influenced etc etc. What needs to be done:

a) Only captains and others involved in the incident should be allowed to approach the referee.
b) Introduce a tv referee who analyses the game from the stands.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

But the root cause of the reason he's maybe not got a few decisions that he might have, is the fact that he gained a reputation for diving. To make out that he's developed his diving to offset the decisions he fails to get, is denying the truth.

Coleman should have gone down under the challenge, as it was a foul, but once he stayed on his feet & had a shot, he was never going to get a penalty. Again merely human nature at play.

Not saying Suarez is a saint and he has dived and exaggerated contact - but to discount the fact that he often gets kicked and gets decisions against him just as much as those that go for him, is also naive.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Not saying Suarez is a saint and he has dived and exaggerated contact - but to discount the fact that he often gets kicked and gets decisions against him just as much as those that go for him, is also naive.

Same goes for when he challenges for the ball. Its quite often he doesn't touch the man but a freekick is given against him. It happened on Saturday with Everton's RB.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

I wasn't saying it was right for refs to do it, just that its human nature. There are a few refs that should be "relegated" this weekend.

But Dowd won't be one of them because he's one of the top top referees in the country.

 

[jenners04]

"What needs to be done:

a) Only captains and others involved in the incident should be allowed to approach the referee."

isnt that one already in place, in theory?

also no issue with refs making mistakes all clubs have had good and bad decisions in games and will continue to do so, but why no punishment afterwards if there should have been?

i dont want to see him do it, but i am not convinced the fa would be exactly the same if Suarez had got away with what should have been a red, until refs get video evidence or help in real time they will make mistakes, but its the governing body ie FA, that's the ****s.