Terry Out

[tigerscanada]

Today's conversation between a mate of mine (an ex-Leeds United first team player) and myself immediately after the televised game ended.
A more genuine lad you could ever meet, so he really does feel for Hull City, despite his obvious wish for his ex-team to get promoted.
I thought about inviting him round here this morning, but the early k.o. time made it impractical for him to make it on time (especially as we've had a lot of snow in the last couple of days).

It's hard to put a finger on our recent precipitous slump ?
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My mate's e-mail:

On Saturday, February 29, 2020, 09:30:05 a.m. EST, ???? wrote:

I feel sorry for Hull having just seen the Leeds game.
The ‘keeper made some wonderful saves.
It cannot be just down to losing Bowen can it? Injuries?
Will McCann be sacked?
Only 4 points off relegation places but interesting games coming up which will define the season. Charlton, Stoke, ‘Boro and Birmingham.
10 games left - 30 possible points (!) How many will do it?
I wish Hull well.
Hope all well with you, ????. We must have that beer!

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My response:

Hi ????,

Depressing it was. City didn't have a clue. It reminded me of 5 & 6 year olds hovering in packs trying to get the ball off the opposition.
Apparently we were even worse in Tuesday's home loss to Barnsley.

So many times 3 of Hull's players went for the same man, leaving 2 extra Leeds players free to receive the ball from the man in possession.
Admittedly a few injuries and the loss of your top 2 scorers mid-season doesn't help. However, the owners have gone for lower quality players this season, showing little ambition. McCann seems clueless in the sense that he hasn't managed to galvanize his players with desire and a tactical plan. He may have had his hands tied behind his back by the owners somewhat, but there seems a lack of belief has become engrained into the players minds. There's something wrong in the camp, pros don't ever intentionally give up so I believe the root cause has to be the manager's ability to motivate or deploy tactics that the players buy into or even understand.

Will he be fired ? Given the owners have openly admitted they are not football men, they probably don't even realize that the manager may be part of the problem. How many quality managers (if any are even available) would want to come to a club in turmoil with little visible ambition ? The opportunity to stabilize a club in the PL or now the Championship after over a 100 years of trying seems to have been lost. Worrying times. I'd love to be wrong, but at the moment it's hard to see an escape from relegation.

The only silver lining from this week's miserable results is LUFC strengthening their automatic promotion chances. It'll be tough up there if they make it, so I hope the powers that be have some money to strengthen the team. Sheffield United have been a surprise after their promotion, but it's a rare thing unless there's heavy financial backing.

You're right about the beer. When the weather gets a little warmer we should set something up with Karl, Willie and Steve, and anyone else you think should join us. (Steve says hi by the way - he's just left here as depressed as I am !).

All the best ????.
????

 

[southerntiger]

As I said earlier today it's a situation made for Nigel A to sort out.
Our players are not as bad as the results just needs a new man to organise them and give them some belief before it's too late.

 

[LeftSaidFred]

As I said earlier today it's a situation made for Nigel A to sort out.
Our players are not as bad as the results just needs a new man to organise them and give them some belief before it's too late.

If nothing else the warm-ups will improve.

 

[DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)]

If nothing else the warm-ups will improve.

Judging by the start to both halves today, could be enough .

 

[Kempton]

This is a job for Warren Joyce.

 

[tigers1970]

This is a job for Warren Joyce.

 

[Kempton]

?

 

[Edelman]

Even with a depleted squad Silva or Adkins would have a better idea, both available.

Adkins wouldn't come back what would be the point ?

 

[Gone For A Walk]

I didn’t like his interview with Burnsey. I get that he has a strong character and doesn’t feel pressure but I am not interested in that. I am interested in how he intends to turn things around and he had nothing. It’s mainly down to players to find it in themselves he said. What ****e. The managers job is to organise the team to play to their strengths and find the right tactics and motivation to suit the game. He said we would get hammered and we did. Inexcusable from any manager. Sure we have lost two very good players and they did bail us out a good bit but like Chazz says we do have some decent players here and we have signed some proven L1 larkers. They should be doing better. I don’t believe the players are playing for him now and it is time to make a change. It’s good to read the comments above which are not negative but mainly constructive opinions on our current situation.

Only just got round to listening to it.
Yep, it was ****e and worrying.
If he isn't prepared to change things, and the past evidence, the interview, and subsequent comments from Burnsie suggest he won't, then we've likely had it.
Definition of insanity.
Incredibly stubborn, or naive, or both.
Or could it be that he's under orders from Enob, as that's the club's stated identity, even tho he knows nothing about football.
He has to see sense or we are down. It doesnt sound like he can.

 

[Kempton]

Only just got round to listening to it.
Yep, it was ****e and worrying.
If he isn't prepared to change things, and the past evidence, the interview, and subsequent comments from Burnsie suggest he won't, then we've likely had it.
Definition of insanity.
Incredibly stubborn, or naive, or both.
Or he could be under orders from Enob as that's the club's stated identity, even tho he knows nothing about football.
He has to see sense or we are down. It doesnt sound like he can.

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

Totally agree Chazz.

As I said to kempton earlier, Terrys main role to coach & improve the players. He has utterly failed to do this.

His ****e unmoving approach on tactics makes him a dinosaur in modern football.
Terry out

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

As I said earlier today it's a situation made for Nigel A to sort out.
Our players are not as bad as the results just needs a new man to organise them and give them some belief before it's too late.

Adkins walked away knowing the direction of the club. Why do you think he'd come back? Hell take a job when he sees an opportunity he wants. Why would that be us?

Whoever mentioned Silva. You really think he'd go from Everton to a relegation scrap at the bottom of the championship with no resources?

Don't know who we'd be able to get but Mccann was the best we could get after Nigel left, and with a squad that was stronger than now. Other league 1 mangers turned us down.

For me the argument for changing manager would be to try to shake the squad up and gamble on a new manager bounce. But it's a short term fix.

Long term, whether any manager can successfully compete in the championship with a team that desperately lacks a couple of proven championship leaders on the pitch seems doubtful in the long term.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

As always prepared to be shot down, but, if we have to pay him off so what!! What will it cost. If he's on a rolling contact that equates to 3 months..?.(yes/no is that how it works) .. what will he be on 10k a week.... so that would equate to say 150k to season end. When you consider as OLM has highlighted the circa 5 million difference in revenue between Championship and League 1, plus sponsorship deals and extra TV revenue, employing someone who is prepared to come here for 10 games and try and rescue Championship status on say 20k a match and bonus for keeping us up is surely the better 'sustainable' option. If the normal manager bounce thing works, we might eek out 2 wins and 2 draws which might or might not be enough. The salary paid might actually encourage attendance increase which might offset his wages, whoever it might be.

 

[cheshireles]

As always prepared to be shot down, but, if we have to pay him off so what!! What will it cost. If he's on a rolling contact that equates to 3 months..?.(yes/no is that how it works) .. what will he be on 10k a week.... so that would equate to say 150k to season end. When you consider as OLM has highlighted the circa 5 million difference in revenue between Championship and League 1, plus sponsorship deals and extra TV revenue, employing someone who is prepared to come here for 10 games and try and rescue Championship status on say 20k a match and bonus for keeping us up is surely the better 'sustainable' option. If the normal manager bounce thing works, we might eek out 2 wins and 2 draws which might or might not be enough. The salary paid might actually encourage attendance increase which might offset his wages, whoever it might be.

What's Houdini up to these days?

 

[Charon]

thank you McCann for subjecting me to 4000 no marks take the piss out of Hull City and its fans in our own back yard - that is entirely down to you - do the decent thing and **** off so we can start to rebuild the mess you have created

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Adkins walked away knowing the direction of the club. Why do you think he'd come back? Hell take a job when he sees an opportunity he wants. Why would that be us?

Whoever mentioned Silva. You really think he'd go from Everton to a relegation scrap at the bottom of the championship with no resources?

Don't know who we'd be able to get but Mccann was the best we could get after Nigel left, and with a squad that was stronger than now. Other league 1 mangers turned us down.

For me the argument for changing manager would be to try to shake the squad up and gamble on a new manager bounce. But it's a short term fix.

Long term, whether any manager can successfully compete in the championship with a team that desperately lacks a couple of proven championship leaders on the pitch seems doubtful in the long term.

Why would Adkins come? Err let’s see
He’s earning next to fuxk all at the moment. ten grand a game and a200 grand bonus for keeping us up? 300 grand compared to a few grand giving a few talks or scouting.
He’d take it as would plenty of others.

 

[Tentotwo]

Old news but for what it’s worth now when Nigel left I was genuinely pissed off and a bit mystified to be honest. Despite the rumours at the time about him simply walking away it turned out to be the final straw for me personally. Point I would like to make here and one spoken about last night over a pint or three drowning yet more City related sorrows was that despite ‘Terrys’ initial popularity fans have turned pretty quickly following a string of poor results and whilst that’s a fans prerogative ( sp ) , we are now starting to go through managers pretty quickly again and that does not bode well for anyone more than half decent who may be interested in the job should or when it becomes available again . Back to football. Injuries and players leaving have without doubt obviously had a massive impact in the teams current form. Despite opinions,losing the likes of Bowen and Turbo was never going to be easy but the way we are shipping goals suggests to me at least we were always potentially 2 or 3 injuries away from meltdown. The first thing Steve Bruce did when he came to City was basically make us harder to beat and stop conceding . Nigel on the other hand gelled an average outfit into a side few wanted to go toe to toe with especially at home. The other glaring issue I notice these days is the Luke warm starts we make to some games and of course the heads down and finger pointing from players when we concede. This is a real red light in terms of confidence and understanding about just who does what and this is were ( allowing for injuries) McCann is failing badly Imo.


Just saying...


UTT.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Why would Adkins come? Err let’s see
He’s earning next to fuxk all at the moment. ten grand a game and a200 grand bonus for keeping us up? 300 grand compared to a few grand giving a few talks or scouting.
He’d take it as would plenty of others.[/QUOTE

Firstly Chazz,your pay bundle assumes he works the Oracle and keeps us up? So if he didn't he'd be looking at 100k? (Less tax,NI etc £50 k?).

So he'd take 50k to work for someone who he has no faith in,to inherit a squad of footballers(and I use that term lightly)who aren't fit for purpose at this level and to then risk a dirty big black Mark on a reasonable,thus far,C.V.?
I admire your optimism,positivity and conjecture but in reality I can't,off the top of my head,name one idiot who would seriously consider any offer put in front of them by a maverick such as Allam!!!

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Why would Adkins come? Err let’s see
He’s earning next to fuxk all at the moment. ten grand a game and a200 grand bonus for keeping us up? 300 grand compared to a few grand giving a few talks or scouting.
He’d take it as would plenty of others.

Firstly Chazz,your pay bundle assumes he works the Oracle and keeps us up?So if he didn't he'd be looking at £100k(less tax etc £50k)?

So he'd take £50k to work for someone who he has no faith in,to inherit a squad of footballers(and I use that term loosely),who aren't fit for purpose at this level and to then risk a dirty big black Mark on a reasonable,thus far,C.V?
I admire your optimism,positivity and conjecture but in reality,Ican't off the top of my head,name one idiot who would seriously consider any offer put in front the them by a maverick such as Allam!!

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Copied here as seems a more fitting place than the Leeds thread?

Unfortunately, this is what we are stuck with until the Allam's go, they seem hell-bent on running the club into the ground, and then finally for their own gratification will blame the fans for it all.

Disagree John. They aren't hell bent on running the club into the ground. They honestly think they are doing a good job - "creating a sustainable club with it's own identity of playing attractive attacking football with young exciting talent that fans will want to watch". And they'll believe it isn't their fault that it's failing (just like the failed name change, the failed ticket model, whatever).
They are of course utterly deluded. As well as incompetent, arrogant, stubborn, despicable liars.
It's nonsense for us to keep repeating things like 'they are hell bent on running the club into the ground'. It's even more nonsensical for them in one breath to state "we (as in the Allams) know nothing about football" then in the next breath to be laying down how the club will play from top to bottom.
I suspect McCanns hands are at least partly tied, given that he came in under agreement to this 'philosophy'. Nige obviously knew what was coming and couldn't buy into it; fair play to him for simply walking away.
Best thing they could do, other than just ****ing off of course, would be to step away from it other than the finance side, then hand all operational & footballing matters over to a footballing man (an Adam Pearson type) and replace McCann with a wiley manager who really knows what he's doing.
Losing Adkins was careless to say the least; a very decent manager & coach, a very decent bloke and someone who wouldn't demand the earth.
They are utterly clueless but, back to the point, believe they are doing a good job but everyone else is wrong and are failing them. .