Tan's done one

[Ric Glasgow]

-> I could never bring myself to read something written by an individual as awful as he is.
-> Just read up on him. What a strange individual.

Exactly why (awful / strange)?

And that likely sums up a big part of the problem! Why not listen / read THEN comment? I would find it hard to believe any normal, sane person could disagree with most of the content in those books. I really don't like James O'Brien as a person, but I often listen to him, and even to his books, as I want to hear alternative views, and on occasions find myself agreeing.

I often think it's a massive pity that Christopher Hitchens isn't still alive. A giant. Would love to have heard him commenting on what is happening these days, although tbf he already was commenting (and destroying the arguments of) a lot of what is going on.

#Lop-sided bookcases.co.uk.

 

[balkan tiger]

Yes,Yes,but more importantly...Are you a Grandparent?

I could be but I'm not, none of the young bucks hanging around the front gate like a pack of dogs when they smell a dog on heat have got in yet.

 

[Off The Line]

-> I could never bring myself to read something written by an individual as awful as he is.
-> Just read up on him. What a strange individual.

Exactly why (awful / strange)?

And that likely sums up a big part of the problem! Why not listen / read THEN comment? I would find it hard to believe any normal, sane person could disagree with most of the content in those books. I really don't like James O'Brien as a person, but I often listen to him, and even to his books, as I want to hear alternative views, and on occasions find myself agreeing.

I often think it's a massive pity that Christopher Hitchens isn't still alive. A giant. Would love to have heard him commenting on what is happening these days, although tbf he already was commenting (and destroying the arguments of) a lot of what is going on.

I agree with much of that. I've watched some of his YouTube stuff but that was enough for me. My view is that if a person is full of hate, then whatever they write will never be from a place of truth.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

People have been arrested and charged over offensive placards and offensive language.

Very few compared to the volume of hate speech we see on the streets. They may have been some arrested, but I have seen little evidence of them actually being charged and being made an example of.

 

[Off The Line]

Very few compared to the volume of hate speech we see on the streets. They may have been some arrested, but I have seen little evidence of them actually being charged and being made an example of.

Can you show us an example?

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Very few compared to the volume of hate speech we see on the streets. They may have been some arrested, but I have seen little evidence of them actually being charged and being made an example of.

That's not strictly true John... Councillor Ricky Jones was arrested and charged(irrespective of the fact that he got bail)...

 

[SydneyTiger14]

-> I could never bring myself to read something written by an individual as awful as he is.
-> Just read up on him. What a strange individual.

Exactly why (awful / strange)?

And that likely sums up a big part of the problem! Why not listen / read THEN comment? I would find it hard to believe any normal, sane person could disagree with most of the content in those books. I really don't like James O'Brien as a person, but I often listen to him, and even to his books, as I want to hear alternative views, and on occasions find myself agreeing.

I often think it's a massive pity that Christopher Hitchens isn't still alive. A giant. Would love to have heard him commenting on what is happening these days, although tbf he already was commenting (and destroying the arguments of) a lot of what is going on.

I did what you suggested, I researched him before instinctively dismissing his views. But a gay man claiming that homophobia essentially no longer exists is incredibly strange.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

That's not strictly true John... Councillor Ricky Jones was arrested and charged(irrespective of the fact that he got bail)...

, unlike the people that were quickly charged and sent to prison, he is still on bail and has not been in court. Also, what about that guy Nick Lowes of Hope not hate, tweeted that there had been an acid attack, nothing happened to him, not even attested or charged.

 

[Off The Line]

, unlike the people that were quickly charged and sent to prison, he is still on bail and has not been in court. Also, what about that guy Nick Lowes of Hope not hate, tweeted that there had been an acid attack, nothing happened to him, not even attested or charged.

From what I can see the law has been entirely consistent. The woman who was alleged to have started the false claims preceding the riot was also not charged, due to insufficient evidence that the story began with her. Lots of awful things did happen during the riots though, so I hope that you're even more concerned about those.

 

[PLT]

Ah the naivety of youth - time to talk to your grandparents - they tend to see things pretty clearly .
They don’t fall for the loudest voice .

Goodness me. The confidence to say that whilst regurgitating the kind of beliefs that only exist because of the overly-platformed loudness of the biggest grifters in British society.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

From what I can see the law has been entirely consistent. The woman who was alleged to have started the false claims preceding the riot was also not charged, due to insufficient evidence that the story began with her. Lots of awful things did happen during the riots though, so I hope that you're even more concerned about those.

I have never condoned the riots, those that caused damage etc deserve to be punished. What I do not like is this waste IMO of police time chasing after people for posts they make or what they say. These none crime hate incident is right out of the Starsi play book, (not my words a judge's words who kicked out a case) which is a step too far for me. The police want to get back to doing what police do, catching thieves and doing something about knife crime etc.

It interesting, a lot of the people who were sent to prison pleaded guilty as that was what they were suggested to do, or they would have to be held on remand which would lengthen their time in custody before trial.

Some pleaded not guilty, they are now coming to court with a jury and a couple of cases so far have been found not guilty. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I just feel there is an overreach by the authorities and the police, but to be clear if someone cause a riot or say something which would directly incite violence, then they should be dealt with appropriately.

 

[Off The Line]

I have never condoned the riots, those that caused damage etc deserve to be punished. What I do not like is this waste IMO of police time chasing after people for posts they make or what they say. These none crime hate incident is right out of the Starsi play book, (not my words a judge's words who kicked out a case) which is a step too far for me. The police want to get back to doing what police do, catching thieves and doing something about knife crime etc.

It interesting, a lot of the people who were sent to prison pleaded guilty as that was what they were suggested to do, or they would have to be held on remand which would lengthen their time in custody before trial.

Some pleaded not guilty, they are now coming to court with a jury and a couple of cases so far have been found not guilty. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I just feel there is an overreach by the authorities and the police, but to be clear if someone cause a riot or say something which would directly incite violence, then they should be dealt with appropriately.

Obviously they came down hard but their reason for doing so is just as obvious.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Goodness me. The confidence to say that whilst regurgitating the kind of beliefs that only exist because of the overly-platformed loudness of the biggest grifters in British society.

Yes,but are they Grandfather's and are they aware that 'Tans Done One'...

 

[Evington]

Thread drift anyone?

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

Obviously they came down hard but their reason for doing so is just as obvious.

There is no doubt doing that stopped further riots, but I can't help feeling it just pushed the problem under the carpet for the time being. I am at least happy to see even Starmer coming out now and saying the police should be policing the street not tweets.

 

[Off The Line]

Thread drift anyone?

There's a link, a very tenuous one mind! There's definitely a thread in the vicinity of this one that would be better suited for these posts though.

 

[Howdentiger2]

From what I can see the law has been entirely consistent. The woman who was alleged to have started the false claims preceding the riot was also not charged, due to insufficient evidence that the story began with her. Lots of awful things did happen during the riots though, so I hope that you're even more concerned about those.

Consistent..... The labour MP who was filmed enticing murder and making gestures to show throats being cut was fast tracked through the courts just like the rioters wasn't he and kept under lock and key while his case was heard..... Oh hang on!

If that's consistent in your mind, then you either have issues and you're just willing to ignore facts that don't support your views

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Consistent..... The labour MP who was filmed enticing murder and making gestures to show throats being cut was fast tracked through the courts just like the rioters wasn't he and kept under lock and key while his case was heard..... Oh hang on!

If that's consistent in your mind, then you either have issues and you're just willing to ignore facts that don't support your views

[HASHTAG]#486[/HASHTAG].

 

[Off The Line]

Consistent..... The labour MP who was filmed enticing murder and making gestures to show throats being cut was fast tracked through the courts just like the rioters wasn't he and kept under lock and key while his case was heard..... Oh hang on!

If that's consistent in your mind, then you either have issues and you're just willing to ignore facts that don't support your views

I don't know the details but I do know that they assess things case by case. I imagine that his safety was a concern at the time, as well as public order.

 

[Howdentiger2]

I don't know the details but I do know that they assess things case by case. I imagine that his safety was a concern at the time, as well as public order.

His safety haha, funny he wasn't thinking about the safety of the people he was referring to was he! He deserves to be behind bars just as the rioters do, no excuses