Maybe Stewart is off and Rusyn and Avarena are to compliment Hemir and Mayenda. Two out and out strikers and two forwards who can play off the striker or wide.
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Maybe Stewart is off and Rusyn and Avarena are to compliment Hemir and Mayenda. Two out and out strikers and two forwards who can play off the striker or wide.
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I think that’s part of the reason they’re fighting.
We have a wage ceiling. If players want more they can go elsewhere. If we gave into one player wanting more then we'd be seen as been weak and other players and agents will play on it. Can't remember who, but someone alluded to this saying we'll sign players up to a certain wage limit, and if they believe they deserve more after a while, then they can move on. We are developing players and if they think they've out grown us then they move on. Also LND is recovering from a serious injury. So you'd have paid him what he wants from the start, what if he never completely recovers, and then you're stuck paying high wages to useless player for several years ..... similar to Rodwell, you'd then be slagging the club off.
There is absolutely no reasons to suggest we won’t do that. We’ve got money, but only for the right player. If they think he’s worth it, they’ll do it
I wouldn't say "definitely" but the evidence certainly indicates it's unlikely to be us. Although I will say I absolutely disagree with your point C - I definitely think the club would sanction a fee of that amount if they believed the player was worth it.
But yeah, the fee being in euros and for "a percentage of the player" strongly indicates it's a European club, not us. Not sure why people are doing mental gymnastics to assume a clause stated in the article is actually a completely different one. If it was a sell-on clause, the article would say that. Occam's razor; the simplest explanation is usually the best.
The Aravena report that Andy has picked up is from a random website that quoted a guy on their version of sky sports news which has then been badly translated.
The whole "percentage of the player" part can't be read into because the translation is so bad. For example, it also states in the article that we would be "very interested to sign the national team." Perhaps we are after the whole of Chile's national team, but I suspect it's just bad translation.
It's also likely in my opinion that €8m would be a total potential fee, rather than any figure we would pay up front.
It could also just be a load of nonsense. Our journalists have spotty records with transfer news, I'm not sure why we'd take a Chilean version as gospel.
The whole "percentage of the player" part can't be read into because the translation is so bad. For example, it also states in the article that we would be "very interested to sign the national team." Perhaps we are after the whole of Chile's national team, but I suspect it's just bad translation.
It's also likely in my opinion that €8m would be a total potential fee, rather than any figure we would pay up front.
It could also just be a load of nonsense. Our journalists have spotty records with transfer news, I'm not sure why we'd take a Chilean version as gospel.
Thought it might have been about Batth with Blackburn selling a cb to Spurs
There’s some serious high brow topical humour going on here
Yep. Money for the agent, and money for the family probably. It is happening all the time. What an intolerable burden to put on a young lad's shoulders.
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Im not so sure Nixon understands how our club works, why would Mowbray be under pressure to reduce the age and wage bill when by his own admission that is not his remit
If that is anywhere near true, good luck to Elliot! He has got to take that.
But, Jerusalem?
Tony Mowbray says he must stay aligned to Sunderland's model
3 hrs ago
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/s...ray-says-must-stay-aligned-sunderlands-model/
The Black Cats head into this afternoon’s season-opener against Ipswich Town off the back of another summer that has seen Sunderland’s recruitment team adopt a very specific model.
Sunderland have signed six outfield players, and aside from Bradley Dack, who arrived on a free transfer following his release from Blackburn Rovers, all have been aged 20 or under.
Jobe Bellingham, who does not turn 18 until next month, is the only player apart from Dack with any experience of English football, with this summer’s business having reduced the average age of a squad that was already the youngest in the Championship last season.
Mowbray has previously spoken about the need to balance youth with experience, and hinted at mounting frustrations when he spoke about his position potentially being in doubt in the immediate aftermath of May’s play-off semi-final defeat to Luton Town.
The 59-year-old accepts he wants success in the here and now, whereas Sunderland’s ownership group have to have at least half-an-eye on the longer-term future, but is adamant he continues to buy in to the club’s overall model.
Mowbray said: “I think we have to be aligned. As a coach of my age, I want to win every game and I want to get to the Premier League. I want this club to be winning the league, but I have to accept that when I accepted the role, I had long conversations about where the club is and what the model of the club was.
“We discussed what we were going to do in terms of signing players. We’d have to mould them, and we had a decent record of that. Blackburn Rovers were the youngest team in the league that last season and we did really well, finishing seventh and just missing out on the play-offs on the last day.
“I understand it. I just think it’s such a big club, it’s got so many supporters worldwide, and yet the ownership model want to do it the way they want to do it, and that is absolutely fine. In the two-and-a-half years they’ve been here, it’s been nothing but success.
“Let’s keep on the road. It’s not a case of me stamping my feet and saying, ‘I want better players, I want to sign the best players in the league to get promotion’. That’s not the model, that’s not what we’re doing, and that’s fine.”
As a result, while Mowbray is happy to be targeting promotion this season, he accepts a big part of his job will continue to relate to the development and improvement of the youngsters within his squad.
Having made the play-offs last season, a top-six finish will be viewed by many as a minimum requirement this term. For Mowbray, however, the desire to challenge for promotion must be balanced against a recognition that the current model means Sunderland is something of a finishing school for the raw, unpolished talents who are arriving through the entrance door at the Stadium of Light.
The Black Cats boss said: “We’ll try to develop our young players to become really good players that everybody sees as top players. I think we have the potential to do that.
“If you look at (Trai) Hume, (Dennis) Cirkin, (Pierre) Ekwah, (Dan) Neil, the young centre-halves we’ve just signed (Nectarios Triantis and Jenson Seelt), (Jack) Clarke, Jewison (Bennette), (Abdoullah) Ba – they’re good footballers, they just need a bit of time, that’s all.”
3 hrs ago
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/s...ray-says-must-stay-aligned-sunderlands-model/
The Black Cats head into this afternoon’s season-opener against Ipswich Town off the back of another summer that has seen Sunderland’s recruitment team adopt a very specific model.
Sunderland have signed six outfield players, and aside from Bradley Dack, who arrived on a free transfer following his release from Blackburn Rovers, all have been aged 20 or under.
Jobe Bellingham, who does not turn 18 until next month, is the only player apart from Dack with any experience of English football, with this summer’s business having reduced the average age of a squad that was already the youngest in the Championship last season.
Mowbray has previously spoken about the need to balance youth with experience, and hinted at mounting frustrations when he spoke about his position potentially being in doubt in the immediate aftermath of May’s play-off semi-final defeat to Luton Town.
The 59-year-old accepts he wants success in the here and now, whereas Sunderland’s ownership group have to have at least half-an-eye on the longer-term future, but is adamant he continues to buy in to the club’s overall model.
Mowbray said: “I think we have to be aligned. As a coach of my age, I want to win every game and I want to get to the Premier League. I want this club to be winning the league, but I have to accept that when I accepted the role, I had long conversations about where the club is and what the model of the club was.
“We discussed what we were going to do in terms of signing players. We’d have to mould them, and we had a decent record of that. Blackburn Rovers were the youngest team in the league that last season and we did really well, finishing seventh and just missing out on the play-offs on the last day.
“I understand it. I just think it’s such a big club, it’s got so many supporters worldwide, and yet the ownership model want to do it the way they want to do it, and that is absolutely fine. In the two-and-a-half years they’ve been here, it’s been nothing but success.
“Let’s keep on the road. It’s not a case of me stamping my feet and saying, ‘I want better players, I want to sign the best players in the league to get promotion’. That’s not the model, that’s not what we’re doing, and that’s fine.”
As a result, while Mowbray is happy to be targeting promotion this season, he accepts a big part of his job will continue to relate to the development and improvement of the youngsters within his squad.
Having made the play-offs last season, a top-six finish will be viewed by many as a minimum requirement this term. For Mowbray, however, the desire to challenge for promotion must be balanced against a recognition that the current model means Sunderland is something of a finishing school for the raw, unpolished talents who are arriving through the entrance door at the Stadium of Light.
The Black Cats boss said: “We’ll try to develop our young players to become really good players that everybody sees as top players. I think we have the potential to do that.
“If you look at (Trai) Hume, (Dennis) Cirkin, (Pierre) Ekwah, (Dan) Neil, the young centre-halves we’ve just signed (Nectarios Triantis and Jenson Seelt), (Jack) Clarke, Jewison (Bennette), (Abdoullah) Ba – they’re good footballers, they just need a bit of time, that’s all.”
He's playing down expectations for this season. It's hard to tell with Mowbray though if it's what he really thinks. He did similar last year, saying that we weren't thinking about the playoffs. He wants to take the pressure off the young players' shoulders.
The club are working within a structure that is sustainable I don't think there is a wage limit as such, the only thing I can remember is a statement from a while back where they said they don't want to be paying transfer fees for anybody older than 26 so an age limit of sorts.
The new deals being handed out to players over last year or so shows progression and ambition along with a desire to award pay rises to squad members who have shown the right attitude and determination to succeed which I think should not be overlooked too easily by the people wanting us to splash cash just because it looks good. At the minute it is value for money and a good but sustainable spend. It is a three year rolling FFP model and by all accounts we are doing very well at the moment and it may mean that next year depending on which league we are in our financial position will be very strong compared to some others
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