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WorkyTicketFTM said:
He was very good for 3/4 of the season like but I do think as Sunderland fans we always look at our players with a bit of bias as all fans do of their own players. Up until about Feb/March he was comfortably our best player. I was quite surprised by fans of others clubs reacting to him being named in the TOTS, there was a LOT of fans saying it’s undeserved and he’s been nowhere near as good as the media make out. I think he’s somewhere in the middle to be honest, he’s getting plaudits off the media because he’s a Bellingham but that name is also hindering the opinion of other fans who think he’s instantly overrated because of that. If he was as much of a standout as we think he is you’d think other fans would pick up on that considering how often we’ve been on TV this season. But we have the pleasure of watching him every week so we know how important he is.

He’s got a massive future ahead of him for sure and I’ve no doubt he’ll play at a very good level but for £30m in the position we’d be in if we went up I’d want someone who’s twice the player he is at the present moment. An elite club can afford to throw £30m away and forget about it while he takes his time there and we don’t have that luxury unfortunately. £30m would’ve got you both Milenkovic and Lacroix this season, with change, who are both very good established defenders.
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For me the measure of how good a player is is what opposition teams and fans think of them. Oxford fans I was talking to were raving about Jobe after the game at their place, and I thought he had a pretty poor game.

Its easy to get blinded by seeing a player week in and week out, a good performance for a player we see all the time could be a brilliant performance to someone who doesn't see him that often. Same goes when we think a player performance level has dropped, it could still be a good performance to outside observers.
Thats the reason why the likes of Dan Neil, Rigg, Jobe and Patterson are linked with moves away even if we believe they have had a dip in form (or as some fans put it, they are absolutely crap).

In what is a pretty poor example...Milenkovic and Lacroix are averaging 7/10 this season, aged 25 and 27 respectively. Jobe is averaging 7.1 aged 19 years old. It's a worse league of course but for a 19 year old in a very young side that is brilliant. Personally I think £30m would be a bargain.
 
Daz said:
For me the measure of how good a player is is what opposition teams and fans think of them. Oxford fans I was talking to were raving about Jobe after the game at their place, and I thought he had a pretty poor game.

Its easy to get blinded by seeing a player week in and week out, a good performance for a player we see all the time could be a brilliant performance to someone who doesn't see him that often. Same goes when we think a player performance level has dropped, it could still be a good performance to outside observers.
Thats the reason why the likes of Dan Neil, Rigg, Jobe and Patterson are linked with moves away even if we believe they have had a dip in form (or as some fans put it, they are absolutely crap).

In what is a pretty poor example...Milenkovic and Lacroix are averaging 7/10 this season, aged 25 and 27 respectively. Jobe is averaging 7.1 aged 19 years old. It's a worse league of course but for a 19 year old in a very young side that is brilliant. Personally I think £30m would be a bargain.
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Milenkovic has any many goals and assists combined as Jobe playing at CB in a much much harder league lol. It was just an example of established players who’d improve us. I could’ve said Ekitike was £15m and is vastly better but I tried to think of realistic signings we could make if we were promoted. Fotmob ratings defo aren’t the be all and end all.

Just adding I do think Jobe will be better than a £30m player in time but for where we currently are and his current ability I think it would daft to hold on when we could improve our team with that money imo.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
Milenkovic has any many goals and assists combined as Jobe playing at CB in a much much harder league lol. It was just an example of established players who’d improve us. I could’ve said Ekitike was £15m and is vastly better but I tried to think of realistic signings we could make if we were promoted. Fotmob ratings defo aren’t the be all and end all.
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I agree mate, totally different standard of league and ratings are definitely flawed...just trying to put across how I believe he may be worth more than he may appear.

A player is worth as much as a club is willing to pay for them anyway...as I keep telling my dad who still rants about Jack Grealish being the biggest waste of money in the history of sport :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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mick65 said:
Totally agree. He's not a game changer, yet. more a work horse. Given better training elsewhere he'll improve again
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‘Work horse’ is very unfair mate.
You can see, even now at his age, he’s way more Rolls Royce luxury than Communist Bloc Lada (will never stop running, but it looks and performs like ****).
Oxford fans, I think it was, who labelled him ‘cheat mode’ after their game at our place this season.
When he’s his finished article he’s going to be some player - in my opinion (at our level anyway), already is.
He’s our best centre mid by a country mile IMO
 
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I dont get the argument Jobe is not yet a £25m player, or whatever. Why not? I really think he is.

It is doubly odd, to me, when folk talk about Le Fee being great value at £20m. If I could have only one in my team next season I know which one it would be. I am not denigrating Le Fee here, but I dont know why anyone would value him the same as Jobe personally. Being a real so and so I could argue Le Fee has gone for £20m twice and not cut the mustard. I would bet my savings Jobe goes and does very well. He is just such a valuable player on the pitch. Wins his battles, runs all day, great off the ball, good on it, dominates space, dominates territory. He is such a bloody good player. £25m is very good business if you are the buying club.

By the way, Le Fee is decent as well <cheers>
 
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I think regarding the sale of Jobe is that BVB are trying to get ahead of the game by hoping we will bite there hand off for that. Wait until after Saturday and when other big clubs come in, this could go higher and higher. I would love him to stay, espically if we acheive on Saturday.
 
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Sunderlad said:
I think regarding the sale of Jobe is that BVB are trying to get ahead of the game by hoping we will bite there hand off for that. Wait until after Saturday and when other big clubs come in, this could go higher and higher. I would love him to stay, espically if we acheive on Saturday.
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This daft world club cup might see some early big deals.
 
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Well. It’s been a joy to watch him flourish as much as he has.

If this is his last game for us hopefully he etches his name into Sunderland history by sending us to the PL
 
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Mentioned him as an option for if/when Jobe leaves, nice to see some decent clubs rate him too.
 
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Southern A said:
It's harsh and he's clearly a level up from Rusyn but because of that experience I can't get excited about a striker from the Ukranian leagues.
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Just watching his highlight reel now and it’s very similar to Ruysns but in bigger stadiums
 
Southern A said:
It's harsh and he's clearly a level up from Rusyn but because of that experience I can't get excited about a striker from the Ukranian leagues.
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I'm the same, I just try and think of Dovbyk though who got taken by Girona and went on to score 24 goals and move to Roma
 
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