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He’s fine. But it’s unrecoverable money. If the lad was an absolute stick-on success - or if he was answering a need in one of the roles that is absolutely critical this summer - then I’d be more forgiving. But as it stands he’s mostly spent his career at mid-tier clubs, often spent seasons as something other than first choice, is getting towards the latter stage of his career and was available for £4m or so last summer. None of that screams ‘near transfer record’ to me. If you get that sort of player for a bargain then all good. And to be fair if there’s some release fee shenanigans that the press are overlooking then you’d imagine we’d be well aware now. But on the face of it I’d be absolutely astonished if that would be the best use of £15m for our club this summer.
I get what you're saying, I'm not fond of the link nor do I think we will get him. But we aren't above Angelino.
 
The mags linked with £125 million bids for elanga, trafford and joao pedro. Hardly next level signings are they?

Not that i think theyll sign and elanga and pedro anyway. They will do their usual low bids and disappear
 
I’m with @Frazier the Lion on this one. It’s a hell of a lot of money on a player with limited upside.

Completely get that he’d strengthen the squad but that’s comparing him to our current squad. There simply has to be better options out there that give upside. £10-15m could get us some good young left backs.
 
He’s fine. But it’s unrecoverable money. If the lad was an absolute stick-on success - or if he was answering a need in one of the roles that is absolutely critical this summer - then I’d be more forgiving. But as it stands he’s mostly spent his career at mid-tier clubs, often spent seasons as something other than first choice, is getting towards the latter stage of his career and was available for £4m or so last summer. None of that screams ‘near transfer record’ to me. If you get that sort of player for a bargain then all good. And to be fair if there’s some release fee shenanigans that the press are overlooking then you’d imagine we’d be well aware now. But on the face of it I’d be absolutely astonished if that would be the best use of £15m for our club this summer.

I don’t particularly want him for the price being touted but If the teams he has played for since his breakthrough are mid-tier id hate to see how you class us
 
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I’m with @Frazier the Lion on this one. It’s a hell of a lot of money on a player with limited upside.

Completely get that he’d strengthen the squad but that’s comparing him to our current squad. There simply has to be better options out there that give upside. £10-15m could get us some good young left backs.
Signings like him are so price dependant to me. There’s a number that I’d be like ‘okay happy enough with that’ given our PSR situation and the other (more important) work we need to do this summer. But I don’t think that number is £15m.
 
Signings like him are so price dependant to me. There’s a number that I’d be like ‘okay happy enough with that’ given our PSR situation and the other (more important) work we need to do this summer. But I don’t think that number is £15m.

to me it’s the opportunity cost of what that £15m could be spent on. Quentin Merlin? Bischoff? I’m sure there are other left backs all with potential to grow further with us.

If it was Angelino or nobody at left back I’d take Angelino. But it’s not. We have the whole world to pick from.
 
Probably doesnt get appreciation because its not in the public eye but this will happen so much that doesnt get reported and some of the rumours that die down after a while will have been the same - Watching the NBA draft last night and my team made a pretty risky but ballsy trade, sometimes you have to trust your gut and get in the guy you like and i believe sunderland will be doing just that.
Mate of mine has some involvement in footy agency business. He says 90%+ of media links are nonsense. He also says clubs like ours get offered far more players than ever make the press and we politely decline. He has been very positive about how we operate since KLD and Speakman have been in.
 
Signings like him are so price dependant to me. There’s a number that I’d be like ‘okay happy enough with that’ given our PSR situation and the other (more important) work we need to do this summer. But I don’t think that number is £15m.
I def don't want to be spending £15 million upfront on him. It would come down to the breakdown of the deal and what is guaranteed funds and what is bonus relates.

If a player performs well in the PL, even over 1 season their value goes through the roof. If we did sign him for 15 million and he played well we could easily make a profit on him

I liked him years ago and he would be a decent enough option for us - I'd prefer someone better at playing defensively in a back 4 tho
 
It reminds me of the Adama Traore debate that happened in one of the threads. Would Adama Traore improve us at the moment? Absolutely. Do any of us want to sign him? Probably not. Why? Because we trust we can get better on the right wing for the price we’d have to pay.

That’s how I feel about Angelino at left back for £15m. I’m not even bothered if £15m is a “fair” price for him. All I’m considering is that for £15m, could we get better than Angelino. And in my opinion we could.
 
The mags linked with £125 million bids for elanga, trafford and joao pedro. Hardly next level signings are they?

Not that i think theyll sign and elanga and pedro anyway. They will do their usual low bids and disappear
I think Elanga is a brilliant player personally. Really rate him.
 
to me it’s the opportunity cost of what that £15m could be spent on. Quentin Merlin? Bischoff? I’m sure there are other left backs all with potential to grow further with us.

If it was Angelino or nobody at left back I’d take Angelino. But it’s not. We have the whole world to pick from.
Some signings needed for here and now maybe. Angelino would be a concrete left back in the prem. Very low risk. Not that I think he is a real target personally. Doesnt quite fit our style imho.
 
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It reminds me of the Adama Traore debate that happened in one of the threads. Would Adama Traore improve us at the moment? Absolutely. Do any of us want to sign him? Probably not. Why? Because we trust we can get better on the right wing for the price we’d have to pay.

That’s how I feel about Angelino at left back for £15m. I’m not even bothered if £15m is a “fair” price for him. All I’m considering is that for £15m, could we get better than Angelino. And in my opinion we could.
I'm not sure how many there would be, but Sergi Cardona would be a real coup - think he has better offers but would be nice if we could join the race.
 
Some signings needed for here and now maybe. Angelino would be a concrete left back in the prem. Very low risk. Not that I think he is a real target personally. Doesnt quite fit our style imho.

yeh I’m not so much saying I want youth. More that he doesn’t tick enough boxes to justify missing out on others that do.

If we are signing players with little sell on value I don’t want them to be a bit suspect defensively if they’re a defender!! I’d be happy with that concession if they’re a younger player with room for growth and future sell on. But if we are signing established players we really need them to be a “level up” on what we have and what we could bring in.
 
I’d argue you are tbh. Fee is a function of age and the prospect of recovery. The difference between angelino and the ones you mention is that all of them are many years before they get to the decline stage that Angelino is now approaching. Younger players cost more in fees because they retain their value longer. Angelino will never go for £15m again if he moves this summer. I’m genuinely astonished at the memory hole that you’re putting PSR in. Its the most impactful aspect of modern PL football and it’s effect is seen absolutely everywhere. We’re already at a disadvantage over every other PL club given our available losses in the current period. Using what we have as well as we possibly can is absolutely essential for the club every single season. But none more so than this one. We have to set ourselves up for long term success and that is only done by maximising ever my single pound we commit and minimising our errors as much as humanly possible.

If we signed Angelino for 15 how couldnt we recoup 12, if we went down and if we stayed up it really doesn't matter. On the Ipswich front the players mentioned are that highly thought of that only one of them gets to stay on at that level whilst the rest drop down.

I guarantee Angelino wouldnt be playing championship football.

I'd park the numbers because you appear to be unable to quantify and realise them.
 
I think lower leagues have skewed our concept on prices.

you’re asking to pay 15 million for a 28 year old LB who’s just been starting a lot at Roma and played consistently at the top level for how many years now?

if we went down we’d make most of the 15 million back that’s a low rate in this market
 
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