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williebeams said:
not every player has to be a project, we’re trying to survive in the hardest league I. The world

£15m is not a figure to obsess over, the quality of player is

fact is 15m is peanuts for a player transaction in this league in 2025 and the vast majority will be recouped or written off through the gargantuan revenues involved now
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Sorry that attitude is absolute nonsense and a sure fire ticket to a PSR hellhole. There is no world where Sunderland AFC can afford to completely ignore the implications of transfer fees and ability to recoup them. While ability is always key, every single transfer we make needs to be viewed through the lens of PSR impact. And signing a player for £15m this summer who may not actually be an absolute slam dunk, when he’d likely be worth around £5m in a couple of years is storing up trouble. Bear in mind that he’s been floated as a potential pl signing for years now and nobody was all that interested - even when his price was less than a third of what these articles are suggesting.

We cannot - and must not - separate ability from price. Every single overpay is corrosive. And it most certainly will catch up with us eventually if we ignore it. This is what modern football is.
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
Browne didn’t. Also I guess it depends on the criteria. Generally older British players have contributed (although even the successes have had rough patches) but foreign players are much more up and down. The age is relevant here because of its relationship to cost. That’s why older freebies are much more easy to see as positive signings. If we’d paid £5m for Danny Batth he’d have been looked upon with far less fondness.

I do find it odd how transfer obsessed this place is. It’s certainly fun in the summer - and we need to do good business to thrive of course - but I wonder if it is out of sync with reality sometimes. Every single big money link we see is being hailed as yet another masterstroke, when the evidence of the KLD era is that our big money signings (relative to the level) are not guaranteed success. So much to like about the current regime. Our financial work is astonishing. Our youth development is amazing. The culture we’ve created at the club is powerful. Our targeting of coaches shows real skill (one aberration apart). Our ability to find undervalued players is impressive. Our development of players is the engine that has driven our success. But our selection of ready-made high budget transfers simply hasn’t been at the same level. Now for smaller fees and with time to develop you can see the value in most of our signings. But a 28 year old left back for £15m is not going to be a development project.
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I think Browne has been positive, he was certainly a step up in quality of competition for the first team. On a free transfer that is adequately successful.
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
Much easier to rationalise calling them a success when they don’t cost us anything. £15m for a lad who went for £4m a year ago is a bit much. And it’s not like he’s a young player who can make a step change in development.
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I think it's because he's done quite well for them so his value has went up, I reckon they might accept less if push comes to shove come the 30th
 
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Late goal Scorer said:
Not many players have had such critical roles in two promotions. He was brilliant against Wycombe and Sheffield in the two biggest games of his career to date. I’ll always have a soft spot for him regardless of if he stays or goes.
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He’s been a good GK for us has Patto. No complaints if he’s replaced, though
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
But our selection of ready-made high budget transfers simply hasn’t been at the same level.
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I'm not sure where you're getting this from, the only ready-made signing we have paid our highest fee for has been Isidor (until Enzo) and he was a great success. The rest of the high fees have been on players for the future (Aleksic and Abdullahi).

Rusyn maybe? - Also the higher you shop, the more quality you find, not as likely to have a dud like we did with Rusyn if we stick to the profile of player RLB wants. Players don't go for high fees and end up like Rusyn. More risk with players like him at 2.5m etc
 
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Time for Luton to start losing their better players now they’re back down in L1

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CR17 said:
I'm not sure where you're getting this from, the only ready-made signing we have paid our highest fee for has been Isidor (until Enzo) and he was a great success. The rest of the high fees have been on players for the future (Aleksic and Abdullahi).

Rusyn maybe? - Also the higher you shop, the more quality you find, not as likely to have a dud like we did with Rusyn if we stick to the profile of player RLB wants. Players don't go for high fees and end up like Rusyn. More risk with players like him at 2.5m etc
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Partly some of those (and the prices we paid at the time means they were for the future - but also expected to contribute immediately). However it was also the concrete links in January. With the exception of ELF (and maybe a nod to Edwards) the rest were clear poor targets that would have represented a financial albatross. That hasn’t built confidence for me.
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
Partly some of those (and the prices we paid at the time means they were for the future - but also expected to contribute immediately). However it was also the concrete links in January. With the exception of ELF (and maybe a nod to Edwards) the rest were clear poor targets that would have represented a financial albatross. That hasn’t built confidence for me.
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Abdullahi maybe yeah, but injuries plagued him. Aleksic they said from day one is one for the future and would need time to settle.

In regards to targets we have no idea which ones were actually true. I think Frigan was the only proper concrete chase we had. Cannon could have been agent based and even then we didn’t offer more than what we valued him at
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
Partly some of those (and the prices we paid at the time means they were for the future - but also expected to contribute immediately). However it was also the concrete links in January. With the exception of ELF (and maybe a nod to Edwards) the rest were clear poor targets that would have represented a financial albatross. That hasn’t built confidence for me.
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I'm still of the opinion a lot of those werent actually concrete links at all - but probably will never know totally. Lot of them just didnt make any sense for us at all.
 
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LD19SAFC said:
Portsmouth away early in the season, he was excellent. Worked out a decent free signing in the end, we’ve been promoted and we’re likely to get a fee for him when he leaves.
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He was playing well early season got injured set him back then he put in 6/7 out of 10s nothing special jsut did his job with a couple of poor performances, and played out of position

think he did enough as a free
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
Browne didn’t. Also I guess it depends on the criteria. Generally older British players have contributed (although even the successes have had rough patches) but foreign players are much more up and down. The age is relevant here because of its relationship to cost. That’s why older freebies are much more easy to see as positive signings. If we’d paid £5m for Danny Batth he’d have been looked upon with far less fondness.

I do find it odd how transfer obsessed this place is. It’s certainly fun in the summer - and we need to do good business to thrive of course - but I wonder if it is out of sync with reality sometimes. Every single big money link we see is being hailed as yet another masterstroke, when the evidence of the KLD era is that our big money signings (relative to the level) are not guaranteed success. So much to like about the current regime. Our financial work is astonishing. Our youth development is amazing. The culture we’ve created at the club is powerful. Our targeting of coaches shows real skill (one aberration apart). Our ability to find undervalued players is impressive. Our development of players is the engine that has driven our success. But our selection of ready-made high budget transfers simply hasn’t been at the same level. Now for smaller fees and with time to develop you can see the value in most of our signings. But a 28 year old left back for £15m is not going to be a development project.
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Browne had a massive impact this season, maybe didn't show enough on the pitch but attitude off it was a big reason why the squad was so strong

This place is obsessed with transfers as its discussions on a transfer thread, which you post regularly on as well

We haven't had many big money signings since we've been out the PL for so long. Rusyn was a failure, hemir was worth the risk but it's not worked out and the other 2 'big' money signings are young players that only joined last summer so far too early to judge - hardly a disaster

A few of us are 'obsessed' with transfers as we watch a lot of football and often know the players we are linked with and are impressed by some of them

Our recruitment has been class, with only a few mistakes but that's the same for every team. Can't wait to see what we do in this window
 
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