Summer transfer thread

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Flash Gordon said:
Barnesy would tell you it's considerably less. Everyone just picks a number that works for their agenda I reckon.

£10m will be the top end which will include clauses such as getting promoted etc. - this makes sense, Spurs want their money back at least if he's a success.
But there were rumours that it was as low as £3m upfront as well. I'd expect that we're structuring all of our deals in a way that the bigger clubs get more from us if the signings are successful. My unsubstantiated guess is it was structured something like this:

£3m upfront fee.
£2m in installments over the next 2 years.
£2.5m if we get promoted whilst he's here.
£1m after he makes 50 appearances.
£1m after he makes 100 appearances.
£500k when he pulls on an England shirt.
20% of any profit we make on him.

So Spurs are guaranteed £5m, they'll get £7m if he's a relative success, the full £10m if he smashes it and a little extra if we sell him on for more than £10m.

We get a player that had previously excelled at this level (and cost Spurs £10m) for half of the price, with even less upfront. If he becomes an established Championship player then we pay them a little more and if he takes us to the Prem then we pay the maximum.

In my opinion, a winger playing 100 games in the Championship is likely to be worth more than the £7m he would have cost us to that point. A winger playing in the Prem will be worth more than £9.5m and an England international worth a lot more than £10m. Given that he's only 21 as well, it represents great value and an ambitious purchase.
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I like your style! Are you KS by any chance?:emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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Flash Gordon said:
Barnesy would tell you it's considerably less. Everyone just picks a number that works for their agenda I reckon.

£10m will be the top end which will include clauses such as getting promoted etc. - this makes sense, Spurs want their money back at least if he's a success.
But there were rumours that it was as low as £3m upfront as well. I'd expect that we're structuring all of our deals in a way that the bigger clubs get more from us if the signings are successful. My unsubstantiated guess is it was structured something like this:

£3m upfront fee.
£2m in installments over the next 2 years.
£2.5m if we get promoted whilst he's here.
£1m after he makes 50 appearances.
£1m after he makes 100 appearances.
£500k when he pulls on an England shirt.
20% of any profit we make on him.

So Spurs are guaranteed £5m, they'll get £7m if he's a relative success, the full £10m if he smashes it and a little extra if we sell him on for more than £10m.

We get a player that had previously excelled at this level (and cost Spurs £10m) for half of the price, with even less upfront. If he becomes an established Championship player then we pay them a little more and if he takes us to the Prem then we pay the maximum.

In my opinion, a winger playing 100 games in the Championship is likely to be worth more than the £7m he would have cost us to that point. A winger playing in the Prem will be worth more than £9.5m and an England international worth a lot more than £10m. Given that he's only 21 as well, it represents great value and an ambitious purchase.
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I just read all that and I'm not sure if you are aware but we signed Jack Clarke for **** all cause he was here last season anyway, Jeff Stelling said so.

Still pissing me off thinking about that ****ers comments!
 
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Brainy Dose said:
Yep,I understand your point. However,we have been playing with wingers....they've been pushed up and supported by midfield doubling up alongside. The task of the coach has been to convert these wingers into wing backs with a defensive duty.The problem,I think,with the recruitment has been the attacking nature,rather than,let's say, a conventional,more defensively inclined wing back.
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Yep, true. And, like you say, it's worked quite well so far. It does feel a bit cobbled together to me though and means certain parts of the team are more overworked than they really need to be.
 
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Flash Gordon said:
Barnesy would tell you it's considerably less. Everyone just picks a number that works for their agenda I reckon.

£10m will be the top end which will include clauses such as getting promoted etc. - this makes sense, Spurs want their money back at least if he's a success.
But there were rumours that it was as low as £3m upfront as well. I'd expect that we're structuring all of our deals in a way that the bigger clubs get more from us if the signings are successful. My unsubstantiated guess is it was structured something like this:

£3m upfront fee.
£2m in installments over the next 2 years.
£2.5m if we get promoted whilst he's here.
£1m after he makes 50 appearances.
£1m after he makes 100 appearances.
£500k when he pulls on an England shirt.
20% of any profit we make on him.

So Spurs are guaranteed £5m, they'll get £7m if he's a relative success, the full £10m if he smashes it and a little extra if we sell him on for more than £10m.

We get a player that had previously excelled at this level (and cost Spurs £10m) for half of the price, with even less upfront. If he becomes an established Championship player then we pay them a little more and if he takes us to the Prem then we pay the maximum.

In my opinion, a winger playing 100 games in the Championship is likely to be worth more than the £7m he would have cost us to that point. A winger playing in the Prem will be worth more than £9.5m and an England international worth a lot more than £10m. Given that he's only 21 as well, it represents great value and an ambitious purchase.
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i know it is a guess but i dare say that kind of structure will not be far off the mark, of course the amounts will most likely vary a lot but it gives a damn good idea of how we could be making these deals and makes the oft quoted 10 million look a good price.
 
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samwise_new said:
i know it is a guess but i dare say that kind of structure will not be far off the mark, of course the amounts will most likely vary a lot but it gives a damn good idea of how we could be making these deals and makes the oft quoted 10 million look a good price.
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Yeah, my numbers will all be off the mark, but I think the type of structure of the deals will be in the ball park (or I've played far too much Football Manager over the years).
 
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Flash Gordon said:
Barnesy would tell you it's considerably less. Everyone just picks a number that works for their agenda I reckon.

£10m will be the top end which will include clauses such as getting promoted etc. - this makes sense, Spurs want their money back at least if he's a success.
But there were rumours that it was as low as £3m upfront as well. I'd expect that we're structuring all of our deals in a way that the bigger clubs get more from us if the signings are successful. My unsubstantiated guess is it was structured something like this:

£3m upfront fee.
£2m in installments over the next 2 years.
£2.5m if we get promoted whilst he's here.
£1m after he makes 50 appearances.
£1m after he makes 100 appearances.
£500k when he pulls on an England shirt.
20% of any profit we make on him.

So Spurs are guaranteed £5m, they'll get £7m if he's a relative success, the full £10m if he smashes it and a little extra if we sell him on for more than £10m.

We get a player that had previously excelled at this level (and cost Spurs £10m) for half of the price, with even less upfront. If he becomes an established Championship player then we pay them a little more and if he takes us to the Prem then we pay the maximum.

In my opinion, a winger playing 100 games in the Championship is likely to be worth more than the £7m he would have cost us to that point. A winger playing in the Prem will be worth more than £9.5m and an England international worth a lot more than £10m. Given that he's only 21 as well, it represents great value and an ambitious purchase.
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Sky are reporting Forfana to Chelsea with a headline 75 million. The presenter just said it's 70 with 5 million of add ons, so your post makes perfect sense
 
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David R Griffiths said:
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That's exactly the kind of experience I was hoping for as a back up keeper. He's less likely to want to play than the likes of Ruddy which is better for Patterson's development and he's a great asset to have around the club who knows and loves it, respects the people and the fans.

I'd be happy if this comes off. Bass is a number 3. Carney out on loan.
 
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