Summer 2014 Transfers Mega-thread

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Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed said:
hope not. he's crap
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I thought he did ok at Leicester as a back-up (not great - too inexperienced).

toughmeanyellowandgreen said:
Would be a perfect three month loan deal whilst Bennett is out.

Always looked tidy whenever I've seen him play, which admittedly isn't very often.
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Assuming he is a back-up rather than a starter, I think a three-month loan deal is definitely a good route and Miquel is likely to be suitable.
 
YellowLittle said:
I wouldn't be too worried if Callan McFadden was back up behind Cueller. Unless we are very unfortunate with centre back injuries he probably won't be required. I would much rather see us sign a right back in defence.
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I'm beginning to lean that way too. Whittaker scares me at RB, and we've got Martin, Turner, Cuellar, Bennett, Bassong and Callan-McFadden to cover CB if required. I guess another player like Martin who can play both roles would be ideal.
 
DHCanary said:
I'm beginning to lean that way too. Whittaker scares me at RB, and we've got Martin, Turner, Cuellar, Bennett, Bassong and Callan-McFadden to cover CB if required. I guess another player like Martin who can play both roles would be ideal.
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Whittaker isn't definitely the weak link in the defence. Like Garrido he'll be alright as back up but I would like to see a quality right back in.

I always liked Cyrus Christie who is obviously at Derby now, they seemed to get a bargain there.
 
I feel like Whittaker is also getting too much stick. If we get promoted, where we will often be on the back foot, I completely understand the issue.

But he is comfortably, attacking-wise, the best full back in the Championship. Defensively, yes, he's a bit shaky (very up and down - occasionally he has looked fine). Frankly though, we can afford to carry someone like that. When he has good support from the winger ahead of him, he's absolutely fine.

Of the goals we've conceded, can we legitimately say that Whittaker was entirely at fault for any of them? Yet he has, technically, two assists already. So while he might give us the odd hair-raising moment and put the defence under pressure, I think that what he brings to a team in the Championship is more than enough to cope with his obvious flaws. If he was perfect, he wouldn't be playing for us. I would personally rather Martin started at right back, so I see no reason (at this stage) to put good money into buying a third right-back even if he is to start unless it's a clear bargain.
 
Canary Rob said:
I feel like Whittaker is also getting too much stick. If we get promoted, where we will often be on the back foot, I completely understand the issue.

But he is comfortably, attacking-wise, the best full back in the Championship. Defensively, yes, he's a bit shaky (very up and down - occasionally he has looked fine). Frankly though, we can afford to carry someone like that. When he has good support from the winger ahead of him, he's absolutely fine.

Of the goals we've conceded, can we legitimately say that Whittaker was entirely at fault for any of them? Yet he has, technically, two assists already. So while he might give us the odd hair-raising moment and put the defence under pressure, I think that what he brings to a team in the Championship is more than enough to cope with his obvious flaws. If he was perfect, he wouldn't be playing for us. I would personally rather Martin started at right back, so I see no reason (at this stage) to put good money into buying a third right-back even if he is to start.
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He's not even the best fullback at Norwich.
 
Canary Rob said:
I by no means think Bunn is a great goalkeeper, but I think that assessment of him is very, very harsh.

Yes, he had some glaring shortcomings almost entirely down to height, but frankly I thought he was excellent under the pressure of the situation and is a good shot stopper. Bunn, IMHO, saved Hughton's first season because there aren't many second place 'keepers who would be able to come in and play well in those sorts of conditions. And yes, there's a reason why Bunn has been a second choice for most of his career (probably down to his excellent temperament as well) and also I want to see Rudd come through because he is clearly a class act. However, to quickly dismiss Bunn's achievements and experience in that way is doing him a gross disservice. I would be more comfortable with Bunn in goal than Rudd for long stretches (not necessarily for a game or two should Ruddy get sent off) simply because of his experience and his control. That's the price you have to pay if you lose your first choice goalkeeper, unless you are Chelsea or Arsenal and can call on a world class reserve keeper
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I'm sorry if my rained off 18 holes today is making me argumentative but what achievements and experience are we talking about? The fact that he never comes out for crosses or corners? The fact, as pointed out by Supers, that any shot from outside the box goes in if aimed for the corner? Lack of height is not his fault but a good reason why you are unlikely to make the grade as a first choice GK. Experience? As I pointed out Bunn has made less than 30 more starts in 14 seasons than Rudd has had in 4!! Take the wages into account and its a no brainer. Further proof required? If Bunn is that good why hasn't anybody come in for him? As I mentioned Rudd's only 'crime' is that he came through our academy.
 
YellowLittle said:
He's not even the best fullback at Norwich.
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I think that's more of a reflection of how good our squad is than how good a player he is. We really do have a strong squad at this level.

I agree with a lot of what Rob said. Only thing I'd add is that in the last 20 minutes on Tuesday, when we were under pressure, Whittaker got some decent tackles in and relieved a lot of that pressure.

I was unsure about him after the Celta Vigo game, but I don't think he's played anywhere near as badly as some people are making out.
 
Cromercanary said:
Whittaker and Olsson are about as far apart as you can get. One is competent and secure, the other an accident waiting to happen, imho.
Is Olsson back from his ban this weekend, does anyone know?
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Yes he is and I expect he's 'champing at the bit to get playing again!!!!
 
toughmeanyellowandgreen said:
I think that's more of a reflection of how good our squad is than how good a player he is. We really do have a strong squad at this level.

I agree with a lot of what Rob said. Only thing I'd add is that in the last 20 minutes on Tuesday, when we were under pressure, Whittaker got some decent tackles in and relieved a lot of that pressure.

I was unsure about him after the Celta Vigo game, but I didn't think he's played anywhere near as badly as some people are making out.
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I was at that game and he was given a torrid time by the Celta Vigo winger.
 
We've won four games on the spin with him in the team, conceding only two goals. One was a wonder strike and the other was an OG.

I'm sorry but I don't understand why some fans have to single players out for criticism when things are going so well.
 
toughmeanyellowandgreen said:
We've won four games on the spin with him in the team, conceding only two goals. One was a wonder strike and the other was an OG.

I'm sorry but I don't understand why some fans have to single players out for criticism when things are going so well.
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I have no problem whatsoever with him being our second choice rightback. I just think now Martin is centre back we are thin at right back. Whittaker is probably one of our weaker players in the starting 11 and doesn't have much competition.
 
Longsightcanary said:
because I guess it's about identfying weakeness in order to progress.
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|My guess is that it is because all supporters seem to need somebody to pick on and our fans are no different. The only difference this year is it changes frequently because of our good start. First it was Wes, then Garrido, then Redmond, now Whittaker. I suspect that if he stays the mantle will pass to Surman. How we have managed to win 4 games out of 5 with so many bad players defies logic!!!
 
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