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I hate it when they say he had to play with Downing, really bugs me. Childish.
This is a big example liverpool are making within football, the first time in a long time where the club is sticking to the contract and the player can't do anything.
I doubt after all this, Rodgers will sell him to arsenal, any money he puts down, this is a lesson he's trying to show.
Plus, all the players we would of liked have either now, signed new contracts or moved, yeah we will get 50+ million for him, but who could we sign to A: fill the gap Suarez will and B: want to come to us?
Cavani, Higuain, Falcao, David Villa, Negrado, Soldado, Remy and other strikers have left to other clubs, there is no one really we could get in less than a month which would make us think 'he will do better than Suarez.'
It's pure frustration that at last someone had said no to Him. For all his talk about a poor background and tough life from the moment he left his country he has been indulged and caved into.
Anyone got any toddlers? Ever catch them practicing crying? I bet Luis practices.
I've been thinking about this. Far from being a sign of ambition. Arsenals part in this whole saga smacks of worry and desperation to maintain the status quo.
While Suarez will improve them he'll not win them the league. He's also not the type of personality Wenger goes for. So why go through this to buy him? you know what Wenger does go for? Safe and steady. Removing Suarez from LFC with hefty disruption as a bonus gives him a big chance to just keep us from gaining on him. He can continue to paddle in his 4th spot picking up his personal bonuses from that stockpile of cash.
In essence this move by Arsenal isn't aggressive and ambitious. It's defensive and pragmatic.its about weakening us not so much about strengthening them.
Which is why I wouldn't accept too low a bid even if it came from abroad. That would still play into their hands. We've got time....
Anyone got any toddlers? Ever catch them practicing crying? I bet Luis practices.
I've been thinking about this. Far from being a sign of ambition. Arsenals part in this whole saga smacks of worry and desperation to maintain the status quo.
While Suarez will improve them he'll not win them the league. He's also not the type of personality Wenger goes for. So why go through this to buy him? you know what Wenger does go for? Safe and steady. Removing Suarez from LFC with hefty disruption as a bonus gives him a big chance to just keep us from gaining on him. He can continue to paddle in his 4th spot picking up his personal bonuses from that stockpile of cash.
In essence this move by Arsenal isn't aggressive and ambitious. It's defensive and pragmatic.its about weakening us not so much about strengthening them.
Which is why I wouldn't accept too low a bid even if it came from abroad. That would still play into their hands. We've got time....
have we sold the f'r yet?
it is all about entitlement. he thinks cos he did his job he's entitled to break his contract and he's somehow entitled to cl football cos of who he is.
I think a jail cell would do him good. nect time he offends that would be good.... then again barton didn't exactly get one in the end did he?
it is all about entitlement. he thinks cos he did his job he's entitled to break his contract and he's somehow entitled to cl football cos of who he is.
I think a jail cell would do him good. nect time he offends that would be good.... then again barton didn't exactly get one in the end did he?
And to link what you're saying and indeed what Rodgers was saying last night we have this from Barnesy:
John Barnes claims that modern football fans are to blame for the situation surrounding Luis Suárez – and is not at all surprised to see the striker demand to leave the club.
The 26-year-old Arsenal target has made public his desire to quit Liverpool for a club in the Champions League in the last few days, despite the Reds’ insistence that he is not for sale.
But Barnes feels that modern-day supporters should not be surprised to see such situations arise, because fans have made the players“untouchable”.
“Why are you so surprised? This situation has been going on for years,” Barnes told talkSPORT.
“I said when [Fernando] Torres signed [for Liverpool], ‘don’t fall in love with him because if he decides he’s going to go, don’t be surprised’. And I said the same about Suárez.
“This is the future of modern football we have created. The media and especially the fans have empowered players too much to make them feel that a) they are better than their team-mates and b) they’re better than their clubs.
“We’ve seen it at Arsenal where so many players have left because Arsenal cannot match their ambitions, and the fans are the ones who have created this superstar culture whereby you’ve separated the team and the superstars to feel more important than the club.
“What has empowered him and the likes of Torres is they feel team is losing not because of them but because of their team-mates.
“Suárez is saying he needs to go because they’ve not qualified for the Champions League, but he was part of the team that failed to do that. He has to take responsibility for that. He’s saying, ‘I’ve done my job, I’m good enough, but the players I’m playing with aren’t’.
“Our superstar players feel they are untouchable. We’ve gone too far and there’s no way back.
“The fans have a lot to answer for. Don’t fall in love with players because they will leave given the right circumstances.
“Support the club, support the group and then, if any player wants to step out of line, we won’t support him. Maybe then they won’t get over-inflated egos and behave the way they do.”
John Barnes claims that modern football fans are to blame for the situation surrounding Luis Suárez – and is not at all surprised to see the striker demand to leave the club.
The 26-year-old Arsenal target has made public his desire to quit Liverpool for a club in the Champions League in the last few days, despite the Reds’ insistence that he is not for sale.
But Barnes feels that modern-day supporters should not be surprised to see such situations arise, because fans have made the players“untouchable”.
“Why are you so surprised? This situation has been going on for years,” Barnes told talkSPORT.
“I said when [Fernando] Torres signed [for Liverpool], ‘don’t fall in love with him because if he decides he’s going to go, don’t be surprised’. And I said the same about Suárez.
“This is the future of modern football we have created. The media and especially the fans have empowered players too much to make them feel that a) they are better than their team-mates and b) they’re better than their clubs.
“We’ve seen it at Arsenal where so many players have left because Arsenal cannot match their ambitions, and the fans are the ones who have created this superstar culture whereby you’ve separated the team and the superstars to feel more important than the club.
“What has empowered him and the likes of Torres is they feel team is losing not because of them but because of their team-mates.
“Suárez is saying he needs to go because they’ve not qualified for the Champions League, but he was part of the team that failed to do that. He has to take responsibility for that. He’s saying, ‘I’ve done my job, I’m good enough, but the players I’m playing with aren’t’.
“Our superstar players feel they are untouchable. We’ve gone too far and there’s no way back.
“The fans have a lot to answer for. Don’t fall in love with players because they will leave given the right circumstances.
“Support the club, support the group and then, if any player wants to step out of line, we won’t support him. Maybe then they won’t get over-inflated egos and behave the way they do.”
Couldn't agree more, he was saying something similar the other day about the England set up and how all anyone ever talks about is Rooney so he thinks he is above everyone. When England win it's because of Rooney, when they lose it's because of everyone else.
Said as long as we keep this up England will never challenge for anything.
EDIT - and that is exactly what we do at club level. When we lose no one will point to the sitter Suarez missed but just the very fact that Downing was playing or Allen was picked ahead of Hendo.
Well said John Barnes, well said.
Can't say that he's crying in the picture on the previous page (when was it taken?) but that's not a happy man, but we know this anyway. The intriguing question is why does he look so miserable, is he just sad about not getting his way, has he been given a rollicking by management, is it because he's now being blanked by the rest of the squad, is it because the krokettes in England aren't so good?
Can't say that he's crying in the picture on the previous page (when was it taken?) but that's not a happy man, but we know this anyway. The intriguing question is why does he look so miserable, is he just sad about not getting his way, has he been given a rollicking by management, is it because he's now being blanked by the rest of the squad, is it because the krokettes in England aren't so good?
Talking of Agger, don't want to lose him but if HE wants to go to Barca I say we see him off with thanks and best wishes. Hope it's a rumour, but if it's not -and hopefully we have time to replace him- then I fell utter respect for the guy and hope he does well. I felt the same about Luis until this Arsenal business and the contract clause/verbal agreement/the boss told me I could nonsense started. Does anyone else suspect that Luis's next tack will be to claim that he had discussions with Brendan in Spanish and "Que" means "Yes you can go to Arsenal for £40,000,001 if we don't qualify for the CL this season" in Rioplatense"?
I disagree somewhat. I don't think the fans have created this. Certainly most fans I know hate the fact that players are pampered and treated like superstars.
The huge amounts of money and the media circus surrounding the game have led many young impressionable players to perhaps believe that being able to kick a ball makes you a special person. For an 18year old lad from an ordinary background to be earning in a week what others take years to make is frankly obscene.
Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps there's a generation of fans who've grown up with this madness and accept it as normal but to blame the fans does seem to me to be attempt to shift the blame from the real, less simplistic, sources of the problem.
The huge amounts of money and the media circus surrounding the game have led many young impressionable players to perhaps believe that being able to kick a ball makes you a special person. For an 18year old lad from an ordinary background to be earning in a week what others take years to make is frankly obscene.
Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps there's a generation of fans who've grown up with this madness and accept it as normal but to blame the fans does seem to me to be attempt to shift the blame from the real, less simplistic, sources of the problem.
I have the pic up on my 50in flat screen and when you Zoom in it sure does look like he is crying like a little girl!!!
It's a chicken and the egg thing isn't it. Without the adulation of thousands that turned into millions of fans, the individual player wouldn't have turned into such a marketable asset, which in turn out up the fees, which in turn puts up their wages and then they are aggressively marketed to those same and new fans.
I always remember having football "heroes" if you will, the one you pretended to be out on the pitch when growing up but I don't remember as a kid blaming other Liverpool players for failures as much as we do now. Might be tinted nostalgia but I do think its a little more critical and acrimonious when we view performances etc.
Of course that's because we have higher expectations because we've seen that "average players" are also now being paid obscene amounts of money and marketed as stars by the clubs. Vicious circle.
We'd have been toasted, donga.
It's not about who's right, the art is in knowing who has the power- and it wasn't us.
Perhaps Suarez is whimpering because he realises he hasn't got much in this case either.
[video=youtube;LOZuxwVk7TU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU[/video] 
Telegraph providing some excellent coverage of this, of all places, another interestiing article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html
Even by footballers’ cynical standards, Luis Suárez’s current contempt for his Liverpool team-mates, employers, supporters and profession is breath-taking if not entirely unexpected. A propensity for deceit seems ingrained in Suárez’s DNA. He’s toxic.
A wonderful attacking talent, Suárez sadly embodies many of the game’s darker traits, the verbal and physical assaults on opponents, the cheating, the lack of respect for contracts, the greed and belief that the game revolves solely around them. Suárez is the very model of the modern major mercenary taken to a particularly ugly extreme.
He is precisely the type of selfish footballer whom Gordon Taylor was talking about when warning of football being in danger “of losing its soul”, an unprofessional professional who further taints the game’s already stained reputation. Now, Suárez has had the gall to turn to Taylor’s players’ union to help extricate him from Anfield so he can move to Arsenal.
The emotions evoked by this unseemly saga range from the anger felt within Liverpool at Suárez’s desire to leave, the glee of many newly-pragmatic Arsenal fans and the huge frustration in most quarters that Suárez is not leaving English football altogether, taking his corrosive smoke cloud with him. He will eventually.
It will be a small leaving-do, probably at Heathrow, probably before he boards a plane to Madrid after two prolific, spiky years in north London.
Prompted by their appalled American owners, Liverpool are taking a stand, refusing to grant his desire to play for Arsenal. You’ll never train alone?
You will now. Those who know Suárez well, like Steven Gerrard, talk of a good character, devoted to his family. But Suárez is not competing for husband of the year awards or best dad. He may improve his behaviour, ending a charge-sheet that contains racist abuse, two biting incidents, a few dives and engineering exits from clubs, but few would bet on it. He wants to win at all costs.
So, seemingly, do Arsenal now. They will be buying goals and trouble.
Little criticism can be directly laid at their door. They are merely exploiting a situation just as they have themselves been in recent summers.
But buyer beware. Arsène Wenger has always prided himself on his principles so chasing such a notorious character is a distinct change of tack. Wenger needs a trophy, desperately, so his focus has switched to an instant impact, a guarantor of goals and Suárez is certainly that. This is a signing to prevent this season being Wenger’s last. No more a soft touch.
No more easy games for opposing centre-halves. Suárez will give Arsenal the sort of devilish qualities their front-line needs. No more Mr Nice Guys.
There is a price to pay for making such a pact. In a smart reception at the Emirates in 2011, Arsenal became the first club to receive the Advanced Level of Kick It Out’s Equality Standard, celebrating their “first rate” equality practices and policies.
“This is a great achievement for Arsenal and is something of which the supporters and staff can all be very proud,’’ said the club’s chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, in receiving the award from Lord Ouseley.
“However, we fully recognise there is a lot to be done to eradicate all forms of discrimination in football and beyond.’’ Indeed. Gazidis is about to sign somebody found guilty of calling a black player “negro” seven times.
Clubs are understandably obsessed with the bottom line and the finishing line, but they must also appreciate the potential damage to their image.
Arsenal have a distinguished, highly successful community department who have long campaigned against racism, not least in their admirable Arsenal for Everyone initiative that promoted diversity. Past players like Paul Davis, Ian Wright and the late David Rocastle endured racist abuse on the pitch. It will be interesting to hear of Thierry Henry’s reaction to Suárez next time the revered Frenchman visits London Colney.
As for Liverpool, there is inevitably some sympathy. They stayed loyal to Suárez in the past but in truth they should have offloaded him before — or certainly called him to account for shaming the club – after he was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra and after he bit Branislav Ivanovic.
Liverpool have not handled a serial offender well. Now they are standing up to him. Too late. They’ll have to sell him at some point.
Liverpool will survive; they’ve been through worse. Brendan Rodgers and Gerrard will rally the players. So will the Kop. Daniel Sturridge may rise to the challenge. The team will be poorer but the club better.
Life goes on. Suárez will go on, playing against Evra, Ivanovic and on Nov 2 against Liverpool. His name will be taken in profane vain around the country. He’s loathed in English football.
He does not seem to care.
The fumigators must stay on standby until Suárez finally departs these shores.
Telegraph providing some excellent coverage of this, of all places, another interestiing article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html
Even by footballers’ cynical standards, Luis Suárez’s current contempt for his Liverpool team-mates, employers, supporters and profession is breath-taking if not entirely unexpected. A propensity for deceit seems ingrained in Suárez’s DNA. He’s toxic.
A wonderful attacking talent, Suárez sadly embodies many of the game’s darker traits, the verbal and physical assaults on opponents, the cheating, the lack of respect for contracts, the greed and belief that the game revolves solely around them. Suárez is the very model of the modern major mercenary taken to a particularly ugly extreme.
He is precisely the type of selfish footballer whom Gordon Taylor was talking about when warning of football being in danger “of losing its soul”, an unprofessional professional who further taints the game’s already stained reputation. Now, Suárez has had the gall to turn to Taylor’s players’ union to help extricate him from Anfield so he can move to Arsenal.
The emotions evoked by this unseemly saga range from the anger felt within Liverpool at Suárez’s desire to leave, the glee of many newly-pragmatic Arsenal fans and the huge frustration in most quarters that Suárez is not leaving English football altogether, taking his corrosive smoke cloud with him. He will eventually.
It will be a small leaving-do, probably at Heathrow, probably before he boards a plane to Madrid after two prolific, spiky years in north London.
Prompted by their appalled American owners, Liverpool are taking a stand, refusing to grant his desire to play for Arsenal. You’ll never train alone?
You will now. Those who know Suárez well, like Steven Gerrard, talk of a good character, devoted to his family. But Suárez is not competing for husband of the year awards or best dad. He may improve his behaviour, ending a charge-sheet that contains racist abuse, two biting incidents, a few dives and engineering exits from clubs, but few would bet on it. He wants to win at all costs.
So, seemingly, do Arsenal now. They will be buying goals and trouble.
Little criticism can be directly laid at their door. They are merely exploiting a situation just as they have themselves been in recent summers.
But buyer beware. Arsène Wenger has always prided himself on his principles so chasing such a notorious character is a distinct change of tack. Wenger needs a trophy, desperately, so his focus has switched to an instant impact, a guarantor of goals and Suárez is certainly that. This is a signing to prevent this season being Wenger’s last. No more a soft touch.
No more easy games for opposing centre-halves. Suárez will give Arsenal the sort of devilish qualities their front-line needs. No more Mr Nice Guys.
There is a price to pay for making such a pact. In a smart reception at the Emirates in 2011, Arsenal became the first club to receive the Advanced Level of Kick It Out’s Equality Standard, celebrating their “first rate” equality practices and policies.
“This is a great achievement for Arsenal and is something of which the supporters and staff can all be very proud,’’ said the club’s chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, in receiving the award from Lord Ouseley.
“However, we fully recognise there is a lot to be done to eradicate all forms of discrimination in football and beyond.’’ Indeed. Gazidis is about to sign somebody found guilty of calling a black player “negro” seven times.
Clubs are understandably obsessed with the bottom line and the finishing line, but they must also appreciate the potential damage to their image.
Arsenal have a distinguished, highly successful community department who have long campaigned against racism, not least in their admirable Arsenal for Everyone initiative that promoted diversity. Past players like Paul Davis, Ian Wright and the late David Rocastle endured racist abuse on the pitch. It will be interesting to hear of Thierry Henry’s reaction to Suárez next time the revered Frenchman visits London Colney.
As for Liverpool, there is inevitably some sympathy. They stayed loyal to Suárez in the past but in truth they should have offloaded him before — or certainly called him to account for shaming the club – after he was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra and after he bit Branislav Ivanovic.
Liverpool have not handled a serial offender well. Now they are standing up to him. Too late. They’ll have to sell him at some point.
Liverpool will survive; they’ve been through worse. Brendan Rodgers and Gerrard will rally the players. So will the Kop. Daniel Sturridge may rise to the challenge. The team will be poorer but the club better.
Life goes on. Suárez will go on, playing against Evra, Ivanovic and on Nov 2 against Liverpool. His name will be taken in profane vain around the country. He’s loathed in English football.
He does not seem to care.
The fumigators must stay on standby until Suárez finally departs these shores.
In reality it's everybody's fault. The clubs have allowed a situation to arise whereby CL football is all that matters. The Premiership is supposedly the best league in the World, yet it's worth is reduced to being merely a qualifying tool for CL football rather than a truly prizes honour in it's own right. So we have had the development of the super-rich clubs, the domination of pragmatic football and a total sell-out to non-football commercialism. What the clubs did not tell the supporters was that they were going to have to pay and pay and pay for the privilege - even if your club was owned by a sugar-daddy.
Last week people argued with me when I said that I wanted to return the days when I went to Anfield to support the team. I sincerely believe that it's club first and foremost. Players are transient - enjoy then whilst they are here. Remember the ones that embodied the true nature of the club and its philosophies. Forget those who fell short in actions or effort. Despise those who tarnish the heart or character of the club. This incident has given the club the opportunity to show the world the resilience that comes when the club and the fans are united in common cause.
One of the Arsenal lads mockingly said that we, as fans, were too emotional and that was a major flaw. Well I've got news for him, logical rationality gets you 4th and a bank balance but no further. This club has always had dreams since its inception and its ability to strive for it has made it one of the top 3/4 iconic football clubs in the world.
[video=youtube;LOZuxwVk7TU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU[/video]
Telegraph providing some excellent coverage of this, of all places, another interestiing article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html
Even by footballers’ cynical standards, Luis Suárez’s current contempt for his Liverpool team-mates, employers, supporters and profession is breath-taking if not entirely unexpected. A propensity for deceit seems ingrained in Suárez’s DNA. He’s toxic.
A wonderful attacking talent, Suárez sadly embodies many of the game’s darker traits, the verbal and physical assaults on opponents, the cheating, the lack of respect for contracts, the greed and belief that the game revolves solely around them. Suárez is the very model of the modern major mercenary taken to a particularly ugly extreme.
He is precisely the type of selfish footballer whom Gordon Taylor was talking about when warning of football being in danger “of losing its soul”, an unprofessional professional who further taints the game’s already stained reputation. Now, Suárez has had the gall to turn to Taylor’s players’ union to help extricate him from Anfield so he can move to Arsenal.
The emotions evoked by this unseemly saga range from the anger felt within Liverpool at Suárez’s desire to leave, the glee of many newly-pragmatic Arsenal fans and the huge frustration in most quarters that Suárez is not leaving English football altogether, taking his corrosive smoke cloud with him. He will eventually.
It will be a small leaving-do, probably at Heathrow, probably before he boards a plane to Madrid after two prolific, spiky years in north London.
Prompted by their appalled American owners, Liverpool are taking a stand, refusing to grant his desire to play for Arsenal. You’ll never train alone?
You will now. Those who know Suárez well, like Steven Gerrard, talk of a good character, devoted to his family. But Suárez is not competing for husband of the year awards or best dad. He may improve his behaviour, ending a charge-sheet that contains racist abuse, two biting incidents, a few dives and engineering exits from clubs, but few would bet on it. He wants to win at all costs.
So, seemingly, do Arsenal now. They will be buying goals and trouble.
Little criticism can be directly laid at their door. They are merely exploiting a situation just as they have themselves been in recent summers.
But buyer beware. Arsène Wenger has always prided himself on his principles so chasing such a notorious character is a distinct change of tack. Wenger needs a trophy, desperately, so his focus has switched to an instant impact, a guarantor of goals and Suárez is certainly that. This is a signing to prevent this season being Wenger’s last. No more a soft touch.
No more easy games for opposing centre-halves. Suárez will give Arsenal the sort of devilish qualities their front-line needs. No more Mr Nice Guys.
There is a price to pay for making such a pact. In a smart reception at the Emirates in 2011, Arsenal became the first club to receive the Advanced Level of Kick It Out’s Equality Standard, celebrating their “first rate” equality practices and policies.
“This is a great achievement for Arsenal and is something of which the supporters and staff can all be very proud,’’ said the club’s chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, in receiving the award from Lord Ouseley.
“However, we fully recognise there is a lot to be done to eradicate all forms of discrimination in football and beyond.’’ Indeed. Gazidis is about to sign somebody found guilty of calling a black player “negro” seven times.
Clubs are understandably obsessed with the bottom line and the finishing line, but they must also appreciate the potential damage to their image.
Arsenal have a distinguished, highly successful community department who have long campaigned against racism, not least in their admirable Arsenal for Everyone initiative that promoted diversity. Past players like Paul Davis, Ian Wright and the late David Rocastle endured racist abuse on the pitch. It will be interesting to hear of Thierry Henry’s reaction to Suárez next time the revered Frenchman visits London Colney.
As for Liverpool, there is inevitably some sympathy. They stayed loyal to Suárez in the past but in truth they should have offloaded him before — or certainly called him to account for shaming the club – after he was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra and after he bit Branislav Ivanovic.
Liverpool have not handled a serial offender well. Now they are standing up to him. Too late. They’ll have to sell him at some point.
Liverpool will survive; they’ve been through worse. Brendan Rodgers and Gerrard will rally the players. So will the Kop. Daniel Sturridge may rise to the challenge. The team will be poorer but the club better.
Life goes on. Suárez will go on, playing against Evra, Ivanovic and on Nov 2 against Liverpool. His name will be taken in profane vain around the country. He’s loathed in English football.
He does not seem to care.
The fumigators must stay on standby until Suárez finally departs these shores.
Henry Winter conveniently forgets to mention that John Henry is reported as saying that he will not sell Suarez to Arsenal "AT ANY PRICE" thereby making his assumption that Arsenal will sign him null and void.