Suarez *Evidence*

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Good to see that Liverpool have accepted that Suarez is guilty and are not going to oppose the suspension. Good on them. Lets hope that John Terry gets the same treatment if found guilty and we can kick racism out of football for good.
 
donga darko said:
Kuyt and Commoli gave evidence both of whom said they believe Suarez said to them in Dutch and Spanish respectively "I don't speak to Blacks" to which Suarez replied at the questioning "They both misquoted me"

Utter, utter ****e. Did you read the report? are you james lawton in disguise? Both Commoli and Kuyt (neither of whom are familiar with South American Spanish) said that, WHEN TRANSLATED TO DUTCH OR FRENCH, Suarez said 'Because you are black". The word por que also means 'why', and at no stage did Sqarez EVER say what he said translated into "because you are black". He also maintains, without any evidence to refute it, that it was said in response to Evra's taunt of 'don't touch me Sudac' - he never mentioned colour at all in relation to Evra's attempted wind-up and insults about his sister or a foul nearly five minutes before which apparently evra was still so distressed about.

The ' I don't speak to blacks' was one of the many unstubstantiated allegations by Evra that was not colloborated by any other sources (including his own teammates and VTR, let alone Kuyt or Commoli) that the panel chose to believe over any presumption of innocence.

As said, read the FULL report rather than the summary, halfwit.
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A closer translation would be: 'I don't touch blacks'
 
deedub93 said:
Good to see that Liverpool have accepted that Suarez is guilty and are not going to oppose the suspension. Good on them. Lets hope that John Terry gets the same treatment if found guilty and we can kick racism out of football for good.
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The club did not and could not appeal because Suarez is GUILTY! 100%. Guilty as sin..
 
donga darko said:
Well, last word but one - I'll turn my telly on for one last game in february - and dear God Kenny, if you're still there, send them out to kick the **** out of every last one of them, especially that chiselling, coniving fart-in-a-bottle at left-back, even if it means another trumped-up persecution from the Ferguson Association.
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That's nice
 
>>>Well, last word but one - I'll turn my telly on for one last game in february - and dear God Kenny, if you're still there, send them out to kick the **** out of every last one of them, especially that chiselling, coniving fart-in-a-bottle at left-back, even if it means another trumped-up persecution from the Ferguson Association.


Another deluded farcical scousers fan: how can it be a "trumped up persecution" when Dalglish has sent his players to "kick the **** out of every last one of them".

Suarez is guilty no matter what they say. I've said it all along...that the club will NEVER be able to support him as he has been found guilty of racial abuse!!!
 
Christiansmith said:
>>>Well, last word but one - I'll turn my telly on for one last game in february - and dear God Kenny, if you're still there, send them out to kick the **** out of every last one of them, especially that chiselling, coniving fart-in-a-bottle at left-back, even if it means another trumped-up persecution from the Ferguson Association.


Another deluded farcical scousers fan: how can it be a "trumped up persecution" when Dalglish has sent his players to "kick the **** out of every last one of them".

Suarez is guilty no matter what they say. I've said it all along...that the club will NEVER be able to support him as he has been found guilty of racial abuse!!!
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You're a tedious little begger and you're like a dog with a bone. Sadly with no grip on reality.

Patrice Evra, in his evidence, admitted the exact same offence that Suarez has been condemned for - racially abusing Luis Suarez. However, since you're blatantly biased, I don't expect you to agree that Sudac is an insult relating to region or country of origin - but under the FA rules E3 (1) and E3 (2), that is exactly the same.

Strangely, the FA choose not to charge him for this, despite this insult actually preceding Suarez' own self admitted comment.

So - "go **** your sister!" Evra's first insult contravenes Rule E3(1) - no charge.
Then - "Don't touch me Sudac" Evra's second insult contravening rules E3(1) and E3(2) - no charge.

Of course, you don't understand the problem with this, why Liverpool fans are so pissed off with the FA's handling of the entire affair or the extraordinary 8 match ban when previous precedent was 4 matches. Of course not, you're partisan. St Patrice of Evra is just a victim...
 
donga darko said:
Kuyt and Commoli gave evidence both of whom said they believe Suarez said to them in Dutch and Spanish respectively "I don't speak to Blacks" to which Suarez replied at the questioning "They both misquoted me"

Utter, utter ****e. Did you read the report? are you james lawton in disguise? Both Commoli and Kuyt (neither of whom are familiar with South American Spanish) said that, WHEN TRANSLATED TO DUTCH OR FRENCH, Suarez said 'Because you are black". The word por que also means 'why', and at no stage did Sqarez EVER say what he said translated into "because you are black". He also maintains, without any evidence to refute it, that it was said in response to Evra's taunt of 'don't touch me Sudac' - he never mentioned colour at all in relation to Evra's attempted wind-up and insults about his sister or a foul nearly five minutes before which apparently evra was still so distressed about.

The ' I don't speak to blacks' was one of the many unstubstantiated allegations by Evra that was not colloborated by any other sources (including his own teammates and VTR, let alone Kuyt or Commoli) that the panel chose to believe over any presumption of innocence.

As said, read the FULL report rather than the summary, halfwit.
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So Kuyt and Commoli are liars then? Both of them said Suarez said 'Because you are black' or whatever. What we know is Suarez referenced Evra's colour. For what reason only he knows but what we know is that the confrontation between Evra and Suarez was not friendly at all. Thus meaning that the use of the word 'negro' by Suarez was meant to offend Evra. He pinched him to get a reaction, he used racism to get a reaction.

Your ****hole of a club has defended this an all. Everybody else in this country have condemned Liverpool and Suarez for their reactions.

Can you not see you are all in the wrong?
 
StJohn_Red_Legend said:
You're a tedious little begger and you're like a dog with a bone. Sadly with no grip on reality.

Patrice Evra, in his evidence, admitted the exact same offence that Suarez has been condemned for - racially abusing Luis Suarez. However, since you're blatantly biased, I don't expect you to agree that Sudac is an insult relating to region or country of origin - but under the FA rules E3 (1) and E3 (2), that is exactly the same.

Strangely, the FA choose not to charge him for this, despite this insult actually preceding Suarez' own self admitted comment.

So - "go **** your sister!" Evra's first insult contravenes Rule E3(1) - no charge.
Then - "Don't touch me Sudac" Evra's second insult contravening rules E3(1) and E3(2) - no charge.

Of course, you don't understand the problem with this, why Liverpool fans are so pissed off with the FA's handling of the entire affair or the extraordinary 8 match ban when previous precedent was 4 matches. Of course not, you're partisan. St Patrice of Evra is just a victim...
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The phrase Evra was accused of using against Suarez (even though Suarez admitted he never heard it) was 'Don't touch me South American'

This was shown to be unoffensive even if he did say it by Spanish speaking experts. It isn't a phrase known to be used against South Americans. What they did say is if Evra used the word 'Sudaca' which he is unaware of then it may be seen as racism considering that is a word used in Spain by the Spanish against South American immigrants.

Also if you seriously think somebody is going to get a ban for saying something about 'your sister's pussy' then you really are clutching at straws. Fans in the stadium say worse to players whilst sat next to their own children.
 
StJohn_Red_Legend said:
You're a tedious little begger and you're like a dog with a bone. Sadly with no grip on reality.

Patrice Evra, in his evidence, admitted the exact same offence that Suarez has been condemned for - racially abusing Luis Suarez. However, since you're blatantly biased, I don't expect you to agree that Sudac is an insult relating to region or country of origin - but under the FA rules E3 (1) and E3 (2), that is exactly the same.

Strangely, the FA choose not to charge him for this, despite this insult actually preceding Suarez' own self admitted comment.

So - "go **** your sister!" Evra's first insult contravenes Rule E3(1) - no charge.
Then - "Don't touch me Sudac" Evra's second insult contravening rules E3(1) and E3(2) - no charge.

Of course, you don't understand the problem with this, why Liverpool fans are so pissed off with the FA's handling of the entire affair or the extraordinary 8 match ban when previous precedent was 4 matches. Of course not, you're partisan. St Patrice of Evra is just a victim...
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I've just had a fairly long chat with my football reporter mate who's been in a 2.5 hour briefing session at LFC with 4 other papers. No TV reporters there. I can't tell you what was said, but I suggest everyone buys a paper tomorrow - not THAT one obviously. The Mirror was there. None of it is made up. May answer a few questions for everyone.
 
BiasedOpinion said:
The phrase Evra was accused of using against Suarez (even though Suarez admitted he never heard it) was 'Don't touch me South American'

This was shown to be unoffensive even if he did say it by Spanish speaking experts. It isn't a phrase known to be used against South Americans. What they did say is if Evra used the word 'Sudaca' which he is unaware of then it may be seen as racism considering that is a word used in Spain by the Spanish against South American immigrants.

Also if you seriously think somebody is going to get a ban for saying something about 'your sister's pussy' then you really are clutching at straws. Fans in the stadium say worse to players whilst sat next to their own children.
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They say a lot worse than 'negro' too.

(Cue a rant about how I'm now condoning racist comments, how I'm typical of a Liverpool supporter, and how our club is a disgrace to humankind - points he's already made 3 or 4 times)
 
StJohn_Red_Legend said:
You're a tedious little begger and you're like a dog with a bone. Sadly with no grip on reality.

Patrice Evra, in his evidence, admitted the exact same offence that Suarez has been condemned for - racially abusing Luis Suarez. However, since you're blatantly biased, I don't expect you to agree that Sudac is an insult relating to region or country of origin - but under the FA rules E3 (1) and E3 (2), that is exactly the same.

Strangely, the FA choose not to charge him for this, despite this insult actually preceding Suarez' own self admitted comment.

So - "go **** your sister!" Evra's first insult contravenes Rule E3(1) - no charge.
Then - "Don't touch me Sudac" Evra's second insult contravening rules E3(1) and E3(2) - no charge.

Of course, you don't understand the problem with this, why Liverpool fans are so pissed off with the FA's handling of the entire affair or the extraordinary 8 match ban when previous precedent was 4 matches. Of course not, you're partisan. St Patrice of Evra is just a victim...
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No point beating about the bush. Suarez was found guilty. He was banned for 8 matches. The club did not appeal. So he is GUILTY of racist abuse fullstop. Why all the arguments?? If the club had a case, like all the fans here argued they would have appealed.

Like the 2 murderers who were sent to jail for stephen lawrence shouted at the jury, "you have condemned an innocent man"...Oh yes? Do we believe them?

The commssion deliberated and found Suarez guilty. The club accepted the verdict (albeit with lots of noise). So get on with it, he is now branded.
 
suarezlfc said:
They say a lot worse than 'negro' too.

(Cue a rant about how I'm now condoning racist comments, how I'm typical of a Liverpool supporter, and how our club is a disgrace to humankind - points he's already made 3 or 4 times)
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Do you think Glen Johnson lets Suarez call him negro?
 
BiasedOpinion said:
The phrase Evra was accused of using against Suarez (even though Suarez admitted he never heard it) was 'Don't touch me South American'

This was shown to be unoffensive even if he did say it by Spanish speaking experts. It isn't a phrase known to be used against South Americans. What they did say is if Evra used the word 'Sudaca' which he is unaware of then it may be seen as racism considering that is a word used in Spain by the Spanish against South American immigrants.
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So, if it isn't offensive to an English person, its not racist eh? *Talk about cultural imperialism... Oh, and the phrase Suarez apparently did not hear clearly was the next one you mention...

BiasedOpinion said:
Also if you seriously think somebody is going to get a ban for saying something about 'your sister's pussy' then you really are clutching at straws. Fans in the stadium say worse to players whilst sat next to their own children.
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And you're happy about the filth spewing forth from mouths of fans? Clearly, Rooney shouldn't have been punished for the abuse he aimed down a TV camera either according to you? Make your mind up whether you want to clean up the game, or just let it sink into a moral cesspit?
 
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