Off Topic Starmer/Reeves: The Dream Team!

[Pure River Slut]

He is , I accept, but to me you gotta vote and at the moment it is a "do you want to chop off your arm or leg, with the main parties By voting reform hopefully bring pol back to the middle, we can vote against reform at the following election if we want.

Have you read the likely impact of their economic policiy?

 

[Ronsafc]

Is not only the far left that have humanity? You don’t sound like you gave much of it. It’s simple minded thinking. Much of migration is due to war’s we have a big part in. If not us our best friends. The reward for Afghans spying for is a camp on an island? AI is about to cause more drought. Is that the fault of the Sudanese?

Population growth is the biggest problem for the world, all these troubled countries, has the UN ever kicked them out, on Afghanistan should the west of left the taliban to commit genocide to none believers, same iraq.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

I voted brexit, still proud I voted brexit, and I supported it a long time before farage was know , I was a backer of a local green grocer who died with a criminal conviction over his head because he sold veg the way his customers wanted. The EU was becoming overpowering trying to control everything. Rant over

Nobody ever said the EU was perfect but it was a million percent better than smashing our economy and kickstarting mass immigration like all the experts told us would happen if we voted Brexit.

im no big remainer and probably share some of your legitimate concerns but I listened to experts before I voted and they said Brexit would be a clusterfck for our country. They were right and this government has to sort the mess out.

 

[Ronsafc]

Have you read the likely impact of their economic policiy?

Look at the impact of the present government, as I said they are all as bad as each other, got to vote might not agree with 90% of Reform but not agree with 95% of others

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

He is , I accept, but to me you gotta vote and at the moment it is a "do you want to chop off your arm or leg, with the main parties By voting reform hopefully bring pol back to the middle, we can vote against reform at the following election if we want.

By then we would have no nhs and public services decimated. Sunderland’s magnificent regeneration fckd.

I travel a lot to the US we really really don’t want to risk the nhs when Farage’s US mates get a hold of it. Careful what you wish for.

 

[Ronsafc]

Nobody ever said the EU was perfect but it was a million percent better than smashing our economy and kickstarting mass immigration like all the experts told us would happen if we voted Brexit.

im no big remainer and probably share some of your legitimate concerns but I listened to experts before I voted and they said Brexit would be a clusterfck for our country. They were right and this government has to sort the mess out.

We only smashed our economy because the clowns in charge did not want brexit, con gov and especially the top civil servants

 

[Ronsafc]

By then we would have no nhs and public services decimated. Sunderland’s magnificent regeneration fckd.

I travel a lot to the US we really really don’t want to risk the nhs when Farage’s US mates get a hold of it. Careful what you wish for.

The NHS is f**ked because of the luddite unions will not accept change,

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

We only smashed our economy because the clowns in charge did not want brexit, con gov and especially the top civil servants

Sadly people like you won’t open your eyes. We turned our back on 500million customers to stop immigration. The experts said, fckd economy and then record immigration. They have been proved right and you wrong and now it’s the Labour governments fault.

it’s laughable but you believe people who have proven to lie and fool you. Sadly I think
The only way people like you will change their opinion is Farage gets power and we loose all our much needed public services.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

The NHS is f**ked because of the luddite unions will not accept change,

I agree to a point the doctors are not behaving fairly given their very generous pay rise last year.

The nhs needs more money and a change in working practices which this government is implementing

 

[vic9]

Fair play to you because anyone who voted for Brexit has contributed to mass immigration as the experts told us at the time.

I have been called a lot of things but facist isn’t one.

People on here are calling Starmer a **** and he is not for work g people.

This government inherited an absolute clusterfck due to the Tories, incompetence, corruption and Brexit with a massive financial hole.

To try to balance the books (ignore right wing rhetoric such as the Mail and GB News and its social media impact) he has targeted rich pensioners and rich farmers and tightened benefits. That’s good for working people imho.

Yes he has his hands full in immigration but he did not cause it and there is a plan in place to tackle it. 300 people are bout to come o to post very soon I believe.

As an older man Vic you need to be very wary of jumping in the Reform bandwagon if that’s what you are thinking (apologies if I’m wrong) because once the nhs is gone it’s gone and people like you will be goosed.

I’m calling you a fascist marra because a fascist in my eyes is a political bully,it’s my way or no way with no respect or understanding for different point of view, you say Starmer targeted Rich pensioners, that’s only after a massive party revolt!!!
In respect of me jumping on bandwagons you’re way off

 

[Pure River Slut]

Population growth is the biggest problem for the world, all these troubled countries, has the UN ever kicked them out, on Afghanistan should the west of left the taliban to commit genocide to none believers, same iraq.

Most of the immigrants are against them ffs how little do you know? Understand before you gob off is my advice

 

[Pure River Slut]

Look at the impact of the present government, as I said they are all as bad as each other, got to vote might not agree with 90% of Reform but not agree with 95% of others

So you’re comfortable with your money and services going and billionaires increasing their wealth?

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

I’m calling you a fascist marra because a fascist in my eyes is a political bully,it’s my way or no way with no respect or understanding for different point of view, you say Starmer targeted Rich pensioners, that’s only after a massive party revolt!!!
In respect of me jumping on bandwagons you’re way off

I’m calling you a fascist marra because a fascist in my eyes is a political bully,it’s my way or no way with no respect or understanding for different point of view, you say Starmer targeted Rich pensioners, that’s only after a massive party revolt!!!
In respect of me jumping on bandwagons you’re way off

whatever I say won’t change your mind but I choose to listen to experts and certainly when it comes to Brexit they have been right and Farage and his billionaire non dom backers completely wrong.

Given the clusterfk Brexit has made of our country I can only assume the daft or gullible would follow these people, even more so if you are working class as you are voting against your better interests.

I fully get the immigration argument and possibly share some of your views however it needs to be addressed but not by racism and hatred and not by people who are the major cause of it in the first place.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

So you’re comfortable with your money and services going and billionaires increasing their wealth?

Given the absolute mess the Tories made in overseeing record immigration and the use of hotels to house them for them now to encourage their councils to take the present government to court is hypocrisy of the highest highest order. They should be laughed out of any power they still have.

That said siding with Reform on this matter (to steal a phrase) demonstrates the Tories and reform are cheeks of the same arse. Working class people need to wake up before it’s too late and we loose our NHS to Nige’s US mates.

 

[ImissedShack]

Nobody ever said the EU was perfect but it was a million percent better than smashing our economy and kickstarting mass immigration like all the experts told us would happen if we voted Brexit.

im no big remainer and probably share some of your legitimate concerns but I listened to experts before I voted and they said Brexit would be a clusterfck for our country. They were right and this government has to sort the mess out.

I think you will find that it was Blair, during our membership of the European Union, who threw open our borders and welcomed the Romanians et all on their accession to the Union.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

I think you will find that it was Blair, during our membership of the European Union, who threw open our borders and welcomed the Romanians et all on their accession to the Union.

but but but Blair

Blair left government 18 years ago man but if you are going to try to quote history..,The economy was booming and we certainly didn’t see anywhere near the 400,000+ a year the Tories oversaw on their watch.

Brexit fckd our economy and gave us record immigration. If you voted for it you need to own it.

 

[rooch 3]

I voted brexit, still proud I voted brexit, and I supported it a long time before farage was know , I was a backer of a local green grocer who died with a criminal conviction over his head because he sold veg the way his customers wanted. The EU was becoming overpowering trying to control everything. Rant over

Totally agree with you mate.
That was the start of people with a brain wanting out

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

By then we would have no nhs and public services decimated. Sunderland’s magnificent regeneration fckd.

I travel a lot to the US we really really don’t want to risk the nhs when Farage’s US mates get a hold of it. Careful what you wish for.

With any luck. Far too many people have an expert opinion on American healthcare based on what they’ve read on a Facebook post. Their healthcare system is leagues ahead of ours. And because of their lower income tax rates and insurance policies it just wouldn’t work here without massive changes to those things, unfortunately. That won’t happen:

 

[The Norton Cat]

This debate epitomises what is wrong with politics both in the UK and globally. Polarisation has destroyed us and unless people realise that, we are doomed.
Neither reform or any of the left wing parties care about working people in this country. They just want to push their ideologies, most of which are based on self indulgent notions of being right or morally superior.
What we need is a strong centrist party that will make people on both sides face the truths that they are unwilling to accept.

 

[rooch 3]

We know who is pulling g some of the posters on here’s strings. Unfortunately they can’t see it.

These non doms want much smaller government for tax reasons. Immigration is just an issue for them to get support as it taps into legitimate fears for many, despite the fact they funded Brexit which caused mass immigration in the first place.Sadly if these get power and we loose our nhs and other vit services the working class people who vote for them will be the ones that suffer the most.

we are in frightening times as these right wing fruitloop have the wealth to manipulate people to vote against their better interests as we see from a few posters on here.

Have you ever considered it could be you that’s wrong?
No probably not.