Match Day Thread Spuds v LFC

[johnsonsbaby]

They have an independent review panel for overturning red cards. If they didn't, we'd be seeing the same organisation who gave them out, looking to overturn them. Which just wouldn't happen because they'd be covering for each other. VAR should be handed over to Hawkeye or something similar; completely independent.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

They have an independent review panel for overturning red cards. If they didn't, we'd be seeing the same organisation who gave them out, looking to overturn them. Which just wouldn't happen because they'd be covering for each other. VAR should be handed over to Hawkeye or something similar; completely independent.

you can only do one of two things.

a) admit it's entirely subjective at the very best so inherently open to both inconsistency or abuse

b) remove var and insert review system that referee is 100% sidelined when a manager calls for a review. (var = video assisted referee)
if you remove the ref from power then someone else has to make the call based on the manager who reviews stating the decision was wrong.

if for example in spurs game

a) angie (the fat aussie housewife) would have to call for a review of Jones tackle as a wrong yellow.

b) klopp would call for a review of the wrong offside (or accept it on field) based on diaz claiming to be on

c) klopp would appeal bad fould on gakpo

d) klopp would appeal no contact yellow for jota

and so on and so forth


if a ref got that many dings on their card then they would have to be removed from the job for retraining.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Or you hand operating the system entirely over to Hawkeye. Referees have shown they can't handle it. Take it away from them.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Or you hand operating the system entirely over to Hawkeye. Referees have shown they can't handle it. Take it away from them.

what's hawkeye going to do?

offside?

they messed up one goal via no camera angle and cost us the title claiming 11mm when the ball was over the line. (aka oaid off)

the rules on red cards are entirely subjective. you cannot program a system to analyse those.

same for pens.

if you can "trust" automated offside then okay.

but the rest are down to interpretation thus always prone to bias , error and corruption.

 

[Zanjinho]

what's hawkeye going to do?

offside?

they messed up one goal via no camera angle and cost us the title claiming 11mm when the ball was over the line. (aka oaid off)

the rules on red cards are entirely subjective. you cannot program a system to analyse those.

same for pens.

if you can "trust" automated offside then okay.

but the rest are down to interpretation thus always prone to bias , error and corruption.

The technology is definitely there for offside imo

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The technology is definitely there for offside imo

it's there's to a level.

there has to be some acceptance of "common sense"

a dangled leg playing someone onside, an armpit or pointed arm playing someone off etc.

if some common sense would ensue that would allow a reasonable ai using ball kick (pressure) verses some form of sensor to posti9n the players on the field them you could easily do it.

trying to figure who are the two players are goals side does the balm go forward, did a player run at the ball or whatever
was the player interfering amd so forth and so on

there's as many cases and scenarios to run through that are subjective as there are objective line drawing excerises

 

[johnsonsbaby]

what's hawkeye going to do?

offside?

they messed up one goal via no camera angle and cost us the title claiming 11mm when the ball was over the line. (aka oaid off)

the rules on red cards are entirely subjective. you cannot program a system to analyse those.

same for pens.

if you can "trust" automated offside then okay.

but the rest are down to interpretation thus always prone to bias , error and corruption.

Hawkeye does more than goal line technology. The system is developing very quickly. It has multi-angle replay system that captures and reviews video: track technology for tracking the ball and the movement of all players down to 18 skeletal points and a thing called 'insight' that extracts and visualises data from on-field action. It captures, processes and outputs in 0.5 seconds. It creates 3D recreations of incidents on the field. Those spinning images you sometimes see that other sporting outlets create to show, for example, whether there was contact between two players etc.

Operators trained in it's use can be trained in which incidents they can advise on in football because there aren't actually that many and we'd see a data driven, bias free, fair system, fit for purpose.

 

[Spurlock]

11 games all you ****s have had to wait for before your favourite **** session

 

[Uncle Colm]

Chortle.

 

[Zanjinho]

11 games all you ****s have had to wait for before your favourite **** session

Just waiting for Spurs' statement...

 

[HugoEkitikeN01]

Just waiting for Spurs' statement...

About sending of off their three players?. What goes around comes around. North London power shift yet to materialise.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

the spurs manager having a whinge about refs not having authority.

what he really means is romero would be sent off if they let the first goal of cheslea stand.

what he really means is he likes the fact his players can dive and roll about and con a ref.

karma

 

[saintanton]

Just waiting for Spurs' statement...

I can't see them having any complaints - they got off lightly.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I have the swear word filter on so I'm not sure what was said above. If I'm guessing correctly, it's someone trying to make out that we have some sort of rivalry with Spurs which simply doesn't exist.

The games between us will always be gone over, blow by blow, like every other game. The only reason this thread is longer than the others is because of the very contentious issues involved. Spurs have never been on our radar and that remains the case.