Sparky's Replacement

[Saints_Alive]

I was thinking more of if you look at the team that got from League 1 to the Premiership they were all here prior to Pardew or he signed them. He built that team that everyone loved so much, I can't think of a player Adkins signed who was a regular in it, apart from Danny Fox who was ****ing ****.

I'm probably forgetting someone though

Pards is definately underappreciated by Saints fans, mainly because they hate his personality.
He arguably transformed the playing staff from nothing into something more than any other manager. All we had in the Summer of 2009 was a couple of promising kids in Lallana and Morgan and SKD deciding to stay was massive of course. He rebuilt with clever loans at first (Antonio, Trotman) and the crucial buys Rickie, Deano and David Connolly later of course. The January window saw some more key players join (Jose, Barnard) and the form from February to the end of the season was stunning and probably the most entertaining period I can remember in recent years and the JPT win as well.

 

[Saints_Alive]

I don't want Pardiola back. He has had his time. I just think he deserves a bit more credit. Adkins is treated like a God when I think he is annoying smug bastard who was never really that good. But we will never know how anyone else would've fared taking a team in League 1 with 5 (6 maybe?) future internationals in it to the PL.

Adkins crowning achievement is getting us out of the Championship with basically the League One squad.

 

[Saints Fan4Life]

I was thinking more of if you look at the team that got from League 1 to the Premiership they were all here prior to Pardew or he signed them. He built that team that everyone loved so much, I can't think of a player Adkins signed who was a regular in it, apart from Danny Fox who was ****ing ****.

I'm probably forgetting someone though

How can you forget Jack Cork, Jos Hooiveld & Billy Sharp?

 

[Saintmagic]

Adkins crowning achievement is getting us out of the Championship with basically the League One squad.

But that is my point. It was a League One squad in the sense that it had just come from League One, but look at where over half that team ended up. If you look back on it now I think you could argue that Adkins failed by not winning either League One or the Championship.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I don't want Pardiola back. He has had his time. I just think he deserves a bit more credit. Adkins is treated like a God when I think he is annoying smug bastard who was never really that good. But we will never know how anyone else would've fared taking a team in League 1 with 5 (6 maybe?) future internationals in it to the PL.

I didn’t warm to either of them, in all honesty.

 

[Saints_Alive]

But that is my point. It was a League One squad in the sense that it had just come from League One, but look at where over half that team ended up. If you look back on it now I think you could argue that Adkins failed by not winning either League One or the Championship.

Back to back promotions is a huge achievement for any manager at any time.

 

[Saintmagic]

Back to back promotions is a huge achievement for any manager at any time.

I agree.

Mainly fuelled by the team Pardew put together

 

[Saints_Alive]

How can you forget Jack Cork, Jos Hooiveld & Billy Sharp?

Magic has selective memory disorder...

 

[Saintmagic]

How can you forget Jack Cork, Jos Hooiveld & Billy Sharp?

When did we sign Puncheon? I have a feeling it was January of our first season in League One which makes him a Pardew signing.

I did forget those 3. Sharp was signed a bit too late, although his goals definitely helped get us over the line. The other 2 I agree with though.

 

[Saintmagic]

But anyway enough trips down memory lane. If we sack Hughes I am 100% sure we will appoint one of Allardyce, Moyes or Bruce. The key will be actually getting rid of them at the end of the season if they keep us up and then going back to our old ways of trying to find a progressive manager. Despite all the grief the board get for hiring managers the only one they have really failed with was Pellegrino. So that is one in 6 (prior to Hughes who they had to appoint at the time, ****ed up giving him a new contract though.)

 

[Archers Road]

I miss the Nigelisms. He was the Marcus Aurelius of football management.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

But anyway enough trips down memory lane. If we sack Hughes I am 100% sure we will appoint one of Allardyce, Moyes or Bruce. The key will be actually getting rid of them at the end of the season if they keep us up and then going back to our old ways of trying to find a progressive manager. Despite all the grief the board get for hiring managers the only one they have really failed with was Pellegrino. So that is one in 6 (prior to Hughes who they had to appoint at the time, ****ed up giving him a new contract though.)

Generous.

I’d suggest that needing to sack a manager at any point in the first two years is a failure. So that’s three in three. Not great.

 

[Libby]

He wanted to make it a modern day, successful sporting club. They wanted a modern day, successful business that made them money.

Well yes but it's easier to want to do that when it's not you're money being risked...

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Well yes but it's easier to want to do that when it's not you're money being risked...

Correct, but it’s the difference between wanting a legacy and wanting a few quid personally. As a fan I will always back the person driving for the first. He wasn’t putting the club at risk, don’t believe that story.

 

[Saintmagic]

Generous.

I’d suggest that needing to sack a manager at any point in the first two years is a failure. So that’s three in three. Not great.

Well depending who/what you believe regarding Puel it was either the players who got him sacked as they didn't like his methods. Or the fans because they didn't like his style of play. I would say the board messed up there by not being strong enough and sticking with him, but don't think they made an error in appointing him in the first place. After all he did make a cup final and finish 8th which looked at on pure performance basis would be deemed a success

Pellegrino was a bad appointment.

Hughes they did well appointing to stop the rot at the end of last season (so you could argue that was a good appointment I suppose). But they have ****ed up by giving him the job full time. Again if you believe the board listen to the players/fans then you could argue they take some of the blame as well.

So I would mark it as 2 in 7 and definitely not bad enough to divert away from our previous practice of looking for the next Pochettino

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Well yes but it's easier to want to do that when it's not you're money being risked...

Put it another way, how many ****s do you think Les gives about sporting success (he probably thinks it might be a bonus) versus his back pocket? Cortese, though greatly remunerated, was the opposite.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Well depending who/what you believe regarding Puel it was either the players who got him sacked as they didn't like his methods. Or the fans because they didn't like his style of play. I would say the board messed up there by not being strong enough and sticking with him, but don't think they made an error in appointing him in the first place. After all he did make a cup final and finish 8th which looked at on pure performance basis would be deemed a success

Pellegrino was a bad appointment.

Hughes they did well appointing to stop the rot at the end of last season (so you could argue that was a good appointment I suppose). But they have ****ed up by giving him the job full time. Again if you believe the board listen to the players/fans then you could argue they take some of the blame as well.

So I would mark it as 2 in 7 and definitely not bad enough to divert away from our previous practice of looking for the next Pochettino

This board didn’t appoint Pards, Adkins or Poch, so your 7 is very generous indeed.

 

[Saintmagic]

This board didn’t appoint Pards, Adkins or Poch, so your 7 is very generous indeed.

Sorry when I say board I mean Les Reed, he was here for all of those (how much say he had in each of them though I have no idea)

 

[Archers Road]

Put it another way, how many ****s do you think Les gives about sporting success (he probably thinks it might be a bonus) versus his back pocket? Cortese, though greatly remunerated, was the opposite.

Watched The Godfather again the other night. The first one, the masterpiece, not the second which seems to get shown all the time but doesn't come close imo.

The resemblance is uncanny. Of course, it tracks not just Michael Corleone's rise to prominence, but also his descent into moral darkness.

I may be stretching the comparison a bit here. Not sure Cortese has had anyone murdered, let alone his sister's husband; but he is a banker, not something that should ever be considered forgivable.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Watched The Godfather again the other night. The first one, the masterpiece, not the second which seems to get shown all the time but doesn't come close imo.

The resemblance is uncanny. Of course, it tracks not just Michael Corleone's rise to prominence, but also his descent into moral darkness.

I may be stretching the comparison a bit here. Not sure Cortese has had anyone murdered, let alone his sister's husband; but he is a banker, not something that should ever be considered forgivable.

Got stuff done though, old Corleone!