Spare Parts (F1 odds and ends)
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Stuck: Brawn to blame for failings, not Haug...
Ouch! These Germans are sure blunt lol: http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/07097
Ouch! These Germans are sure blunt lol: http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/07097
Germans can't accept the fact they're fallible. I know they're by far the best nationality, but they do make errors. Ross Brawn knows more than Norbert Haug. I'd rather blame Norbert for the failure.
Hans-Joachim Stuck is only one German. Although due to personal experiences I should admit to the possibility of being perhaps slightly biased in defending him, we should think twice before levelling sweeping terminology ('labelling') the whole nation, as appears to be likely to happen in this forum in this particular instance.
I'm going to try to be as objective as possible with the following observations.
Stuck was the original German 'regenmeister' and it is noteworthy that whilst aiming his statement squarely at a non-German, he neither makes reference to reliability, nor drivers â both of whom were also German. Now, IF his assertion is correct and has been quoted fully and correctly in the context of how it was said, it might easily be argued that Brawn's biggest single failing was allowing himself to be persuaded to field a rather weak driver line-up, perhaps (probably?) through Mercedes' strategic decisions (policies and politics). However, it must surely be the case that Haug was also very influential in this regard, and that he will also have had to answer to Mercedes' directorship including, one must presume, Dr. Dieter Zetscheâ¦
Blaming one person for the failure of a whole team sounds neither right nor fair, to me; but nationality should play no part either in these decisions or our discussions of them.
Whilst not judging the report, I feel I should add that the conclusions people draw from reading selected quotes can be skewed. And sometimes very very deliberatelyâ¦
I'm going to try to be as objective as possible with the following observations.
Stuck was the original German 'regenmeister' and it is noteworthy that whilst aiming his statement squarely at a non-German, he neither makes reference to reliability, nor drivers â both of whom were also German. Now, IF his assertion is correct and has been quoted fully and correctly in the context of how it was said, it might easily be argued that Brawn's biggest single failing was allowing himself to be persuaded to field a rather weak driver line-up, perhaps (probably?) through Mercedes' strategic decisions (policies and politics). However, it must surely be the case that Haug was also very influential in this regard, and that he will also have had to answer to Mercedes' directorship including, one must presume, Dr. Dieter Zetscheâ¦
Blaming one person for the failure of a whole team sounds neither right nor fair, to me; but nationality should play no part either in these decisions or our discussions of them.
Whilst not judging the report, I feel I should add that the conclusions people draw from reading selected quotes can be skewed. And sometimes very very deliberatelyâ¦
Following on from my last â and perhaps in contrast to the quoted point of view of someone I think well of â the simplest conclusion to be drawn would seem to be to raise at least a few questions about Mercedes' corporate thinking.
In a sense, Brawn's role as Team Principle is akin to a football team's Manager. If one's hands are tied as to who may be selected to kick the ball, it surely raises questions somewhat above the role of 'Manager'.
(And JH-S: if your point of view genuinely is as has been quoted, you will appreciate that sometimes we may disagree â but always with smiles and a warm handshake. ;-) )
In a sense, Brawn's role as Team Principle is akin to a football team's Manager. If one's hands are tied as to who may be selected to kick the ball, it surely raises questions somewhat above the role of 'Manager'.
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(And JH-S: if your point of view genuinely is as has been quoted, you will appreciate that sometimes we may disagree â but always with smiles and a warm handshake. ;-) )
I just found it funny to be honest more than a chance to label a nation as being harsh.
Only problem with the internet as if you were able to hear my voice and tone when I said that, you would of known that it was meant to be a tad humorous and sarcastic
Only problem with the internet as if you were able to hear my voice and tone when I said that, you would of known that it was meant to be a tad humorous and sarcastic
You do like the Mercedes SLS gullwing don't you haha.
On topic however, I just put it down to a team failure on the whole. Sometimes you get it all together and win (successful), sometimes teams go the other path to failure.
The latter was evident. But no one person should be to blame.
On topic however, I just put it down to a team failure on the whole. Sometimes you get it all together and win (successful), sometimes teams go the other path to failure.
The latter was evident. But no one person should be to blame.
I agree, and I'm a big golf fan, but the Majors, for the most part this year were a snooze-fest.
The Ryder Cup was great though..
However, for a sport that the BBC still covers, to dedicate so little time to it, is pathetic!
maybe it was to do with Jake not being there? or maybe because they didnt care as Button and Hamilton didnt do well. Also joe public probably do not know that a scot with an italian name also competes and once beat Vettel in F3 (F3 is a racing series Joe public also doesnt know about)
maybe it was to do with Jake not being there? or maybe because they didnt care as Button and Hamilton didnt do well. Also joe public probably do not know that a scot with an italian name also competes and once beat Vettel in F3 (F3 is a racing series Joe public also doesnt know about)
Maybe on an editorial level, good ol'e Jake may have tried to add his input, but with the Olympics in 2012 I doubt any sport would have got that much of a look in (as was proven yesterday), agreed, had Hamilton or Button won the WDC, they would have made more of a song and dance about it!
Actually Seb does look pissed off by Ferrari and Alonso in particular:
- It doesn’t bother me. Fernando himself is also responsible for the fact that people see it that way. I don’t praise much my own performances, he said.
- We have also won races we shouldn’t have won: take Monaco last year for example. I made the decision to drive the race with a one-stop strategy, which was absurd. The same thing in Barcelona 2011; (Lewis) Hamilton was faster but he didn’t overtake me.
Vettel doesn’t question Alonso’s talents, he says he respects him.
- I have a high opinion of him as a racing driver and a lot of respect for him. He is evenly in the stitch although things wouldn’t go well for him.
Was translated from AMuS.
Damn I'm good, didn't I say from the start it was all mind games by Alonso and Lewis to try and make out Seb is beneath them and always downplay their cars when they win or lose.
- It doesn’t bother me. Fernando himself is also responsible for the fact that people see it that way. I don’t praise much my own performances, he said.
- We have also won races we shouldn’t have won: take Monaco last year for example. I made the decision to drive the race with a one-stop strategy, which was absurd. The same thing in Barcelona 2011; (Lewis) Hamilton was faster but he didn’t overtake me.
Vettel doesn’t question Alonso’s talents, he says he respects him.
- I have a high opinion of him as a racing driver and a lot of respect for him. He is evenly in the stitch although things wouldn’t go well for him.
Was translated from AMuS.
Damn I'm good, didn't I say from the start it was all mind games by Alonso and Lewis to try and make out Seb is beneath them and always downplay their cars when they win or lose.
A bit of a surprise but the man at least partly responsibe for the turnaround in Williams' fortunes, Mark Gillan, has announced he's leaving the team
OMG, it's the end of the world! It's just passed 12:21 AM on the 12/21/2012 and the sky has gone incredibly dark for some reason! .....................Oh hang on, I've just recieved a call from NASA it's this startling and very common occurence called "night". 