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Thanks for post 57,Norway.

I remember an occasion back in the old BBC days when the bastards were gloating about jobs being lost in the Swansea area,whilst further investment flooded into Cardiff. Quite sickening behaviour.
 
There are clearly some entrenched positions being taken on this forum that will make it virtually impossible for Cardiff and Swansea fans to have a decent chat and banter with each other over our clubs, managers, players and football in general.

Well, despite what some think and have put into words on here, I did try.

It was a genuine attempt to get rid of the unecessary childish forum rhetoric and replace it with some good interchanges based on football not hatred.

As it is now, I look forward to another couple of years avoiding this forum like the plague.
 
So what you are saying then that those entrenched views are not part of the Cardiff forum then? I've read this thread with interest and can see the point of view of both sides, but its down to the individual posters at the end of the day.

Posting what I see as a condescending thread on here will not fix anything, whether it has good intensions or not the fact is it takes two to tango, and not having the same discussion on both boards just IMO shows that you solely hold the Swans fans on here at fault!

I have posted on the Cardiff forum with no real issues, but I will not be dictated to about what to post, where I post and the contents of my posts, I don't break any perceived rules so I post what I post. I've said it on here before, if you don't like the post or thread you have self determination, so don't reply or ignore it!
 
This thread is more depressing than anything Dai has ever done.

Close it pleased mods FFS, this isn't going anywhere and it's time to move on.
 
mikraswan said:
In that case this is not about a footbal rivalry, but concerning a discrimination on a municipal/regional. Shouldn't be on a football forum then...
I just read the first few pages: The Cardiff guy wanted to make a truce about not going all out on eachohters fora. I thought THAT was wrong - I believe you should live in the passion of rivalry. That was what my comment was about. I don't know anything - even less have an opinion - on your local conflicts...

Where I'm from the young boys fight each other in the streets - I for one (old as I am) just can't seem to write, or pronounce, our rivals name... But then Copenhagen is a big enough city to contaion HUGE social, economical and cultural differences...
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Exactly the type of statement made by somebody that has no clue of what he speaks about.

As i said you dont have any idea of what the rivalry means. By your words "shouldnt be on a football forum then" neither should alot of the list of teams you published! Celtic V rangers shouldnt be on a football forum either!! Your point is fair in a way though and thats what i said in a previous post, the feeling is too strong for just a friendly rivalry so lets cut the bullshit and just not venture into it.

You are talking about rivalry being good,and i agree with you but Swansea V Cardiff isnt really about rivalry it goes beyond that,i mean even the normal fans ****ing hate each other ! im not talking about the firms/hooligans /ultras either ! football has always been a vehicle for something else,be it social,religous,ethnic or what ever but its one of those that if your on the outside you will never understand what it means.


On a Brighter note Mikra, my company has chartered us a plane to fly over to your town next week for a piss up!! there are about 60 of us going including wives and girlfriends,if you give me some details i will present you with one of my old Swans tee shirts as a welcome gift ! im looking forward to getting my hair cut in the topless hairdressers,hope its just women that work there !! <cheers>
 
I agree Dilli.

Don't be so stupid Jager - if you'd read the thread right through, you'd see my explanation of why I posted and it was all a bit too late when I got back in later this afternoon to post a similar oner on the Cardiff site.

Of course there are entrenched positions on both boards - that is something that will be very difficult to overcome and is a real barrier to chat.

It was not a "condescending" thread at all and you like everyone else can post what you like where you like. That doesn't mean it needs to be so vitriolic like some that the thread descends into absolute crap.

Anyone who wants to talk football will be well received by most on the Cardiff forum, and I'll apologise in advance for those over our side who try to destroy it - I hope you'd do the same.
 
No. What's ****ing depressing is the fact some of us can't enjoy some banter with our Welsh rivals.

I for one do not despise them.

This is getting bloody ridiculous, and we are now forcing posters from other boards away.
 
Norway-jack said:
Here's one for all Swans MODS. Just Ban all Red Dragon Supporters and be done with it.

Here's one for all Cardiff MODS. Just ban all Swans Supporters and be done with it.

So ****ing simple.

None of you have opinions that mean sweet **** all over here, your despised,laughed at have zero respect over the rebrand and quite frankly are a joke of a club. I know that sounds bitter and harsh but it is the truth im sorry to say.

Your guys have a loathing of all things Swans and are forever Jealous of the job done at Swansea city, the only olive branch for you is to Question the motives of a CVA about 10 yrs ago.

10,000 of you and your players were singing "you Jack Bastards we;re coming for you" which pretty much means that we are the only thing your looking forward to locking horns with in the premier league! most would be thinking of Man utd and Liverpool you guys can only think about Swansea. Bearing all this in mind its clear that the strong Hatred for us and the humilation we have caused your tin pot club is burning deep inside.

You really are coming for us, but we have moved on. What you are seeing from most swans fans is a "**** you " attitide, not because we worry about you but because we find you old news and a comedy act which we lost all respect for when you bent over and sold your colours and badge to ting tong the malayan.

I wont be thanked for saying it but you are nothing to us now,the frustration your seeing is because we couldnt give a flying **** for you lot but you think we do! most of us would be happy if you went into admin and ended up bust living in league 2 . You have no class and never have..bigger than Barcelona eh ?

Lets just wish each other well and close the door on the rival thing because you aint a rival to us anymore,that honour left you when you sold out to ting tongs red dream.

Coming over here in numbers pretending to be all caring and sharing is so ****ing false its unreal. If you really cared then you would have been over here in the last 2 yrs wishing us well and good luck and giving us credit for beating the likes of Arsenal,Liverpool,Chelsea,Man city and winning the league cup, what has happened ? **** all !
The bullshit is coming from one direction and thats east to west.

Enjoy the prem league, lets hope we stay up and you go down. You will rightly hope for the opposite and there is nothing wrong with that.

The 2 years festering away in the lower leagues has hurt you guys far too much, have a bit of self respect for once and just admit you hate us and we hate you <ok>

Ban all scum fans on here apart from derby time and you ban all jacks over there and we will all be happy :)
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I want your babies.

Now.
 
Old spark- time will tell.

I respect your viewpoint on this but i think deep down we both know its all hot air ..but with the best of intentions which i salute <cheers>
 
Dilligaf said:
This thread is more depressing than anything Dai has ever done.

Close it pleased mods FFS, this isn't going anywhere and it's time to move on.
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The trouble is Dilli that when I closed your thread yesterday it spilled into other threads so imo by keeping this thread open, at least all this crap can be contained in one thread.
 
It'sChicoTime said:
No. What's ****ing depressing is the fact some of us can't enjoy some banter with our Welsh rivals.

I for one do not despise them.

This is getting bloody ridiculous, and we are now forcing posters from other boards away.
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I dont think you quite understand. Its not whats happening now its whats going to happen in a few months time!! when we really want to talk football it wont be possible ,what you are seeing now is a preview of what will happen every week, especially if they win. If we as Swans fans and posters dont stand together and kick their wums into touch as and when they happen then all this **** will fester and grow.

Think of it as weeding the patio before the weeds grow too big and damage/lift the slabs. :)

Ive seen all this bollocks before, you couldnt even post a thread without them claiming to be bigger then Barcelona and how they paid for the buses etc,etc. Nothing changes with them. I respect a few of them but lets not think everything is shiney and happy, they ****ing hate us for getting to the prem and steeling the thunder,id have more respect for them if they were honest about things but they are not..so **** em <ok>
 
Norway-jack said:
I dont think you quite understand. Its not whats happening now its whats going to happen in a few months time!! when we really want to talk football it wont be possible ,what you are seeing now is a preview of what will happen every week, especially if they win. If we as Swans fans and posters dont stand together and kick their wums into touch as and when they happen then all this **** will fester and grow.

Think of it as weeding the patio before the weeds grow too big and damage/lift the slabs. :)

Ive seen all this bollocks before, you couldnt even post a thread without them claiming to be bigger then Barcelona and how they paid for the buses etc,etc. Nothing changes with them. I respect a few of them but lets not think everything is shiney and happy, they ****ing hate us for getting to the prem and steeling the thunder,id have more respect for them if they were honest about things but they are not..so **** em <ok>
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Some have short memories, NJ. Never mind, you'll be proved right I'm sad to say.
 
I agree with Norway i'm sorry to say, we've had relative peace here from them these last two seasons, but that is about to be broken now. Yes its about being in the same league etc as they are now in the premier league with us. But once our games are over it would be nice to move onto the next game.

We know this is not going to happen and we will have a load of crap posted on here, and again i'm sorry to say that this whilst it might have its good intentions this is part of that, there will never be peace between our clubs whilst both clubs exist, all we can do is put up with it, and if it gets out of hand moderate the comments if needed.

For me if they are here on the wind up they will get back what they deserve, no matter who they are.
 
I see this present situation as being instigated way back to 606 when we did have wumming and debates did get very heated but the appearance of Hughs took things to a new low. If anyone wants to point the finger to when things got really out of hand then point the finger at him.

I know that no Cardiff poster is responsible for him and understand why no one would censure him but its the ones who encouraged him have caused the levels of antagonism we have at the moment on our respective boards. To this day he still spouts drivel and very anti Swansea posts on the Cardiff board and from what I can see it goes unchecked.

Therefore when a Cardiff poster visits this board is it any surprise that they get greeted with hostility even if they have the best of intentions? Far be it from me to suggest to the Cardiff mods how to run their board but I honestly think that if Hughs was actually moderated and his vile posts taken down then that might be a starting place to heal some very old wounds. I know that even some Cardiff posters view Hughs as a walking rectum who causes major embarrassment to them. Perhaps then normally mild mannered posters on here might take a breath and calm down just a bit. That's just a suggestion but someone somewhere needs to extend an olive branch and soon.

To conclude, I've tried to stay off this because things have got out of hand but its now ridicilous. No ones died and no ones been banned either.
 
As per my post earlier about adding NC/NW to thread titles, we just need a couple of ground rules for both forums.

That way we can have threads with some banter/wumming on them and also some decent threads that are totally Cardiff/wum free.

Otherwise the whole forum will be chaos.
 
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