So what exactly is it that we are "returning to"?

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monks hero's said:
when Swansea play it the Swansea way <ok>
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In the post I quoted you give some examples of Monks team playing the
Swansea way.
We don't play that way anymore <laugh>

Then, you state that even the reserves played that way v Everton
Now 5/6 changes is justification for parking the bus (not that we set out that way or even executed such a plan very well) against Southampton

Do you know what's even funnier still?
By your own logic we have to attribute those good performances to Laudrup, as they invariably involved his signings and were just a few short weeks after he left...as soon as Monk got his hands on the team and started doing things his way the football turned to ****.
 
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Terror ball said:
In the post I quoted you give some examples of Monks team playing the
Swansea way.
We don't play that way anymore <laugh>

Then, you state that even the reserves played that way v Everton
Now 5/6 changes is justification for parking the bus (not that we set out that way or even executed such a plan very well) against Southampton

Do you know what's even funnier still?
By your own logic we have to attribute those good performances to Laudrup, as they invariably involved his signings and were just a few short weeks after he left...as soon as Monk got his hands on the team and started doing things his way the football turned to ****.
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But he has the best record in the Premier League out of our last three managers.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
Let's give him until the end of the season on that claim.
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Claim? It's fact. After 37 league games Monk has Laudrup and Rodgers beat for both win per league game played ratio and points per league game played. How exactly does waiting until the end of the season alter the record of the 37 games?!
 
I find the harping on about previous managers a bit tiresome but as you've asked it's because most fans aren't interested in a 37 game record over two seasons. It's what the team achieves at the end of a full season. At the moment we're out of the cups so Laudrup is more successful. At the end of the season we can see where we are in the League and whether he's bettered his predecessor's record, and I hope he does. Taking stats over part of two seasons means nothing.

For the record I think Laudrup's record will be intact for some time - 8th and a Cup win is hard to beat.
 
Something from 'The Swansea Way': just putting it into the mix.

Monk's interview with The Telegraph back in November is quite interesting reading given our performance at St Mary's last weekend:

"Other managers have amazing belief in their way of playing and I believe in that passing game as well, it's a brilliant way to do it, but I've also had the experience of being on the pitch with that blind faith.
"I've played in the teams over the years and we've played some great football, and we'll always play passing football, but we have to have something we can rely on when that doesn't work or when we're not at our best.
"I thought about it a lot through the summer and we've started to put it in place. Different tactical stuff, especially defensively which I thought we needed."
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Mrs Miggins said:
I find the harping on about previous managers a bit tiresome but as you've asked it's because most fans aren't interested in a 37 game record over two seasons. It's what the team achieves at the end of a full season. At the moment we're out of the cups so Laudrup is more successful. At the end of the season we can see where we are in the League and whether he's bettered his predecessor's record, and I hope he does. Taking stats over part of two seasons means nothing.

For the record I think Laudrup's record will be intact for some time - 8th and a Cup win is hard to beat.
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Read between the lines, the 37 games is indicative of alot more than just results over parts of two different seasons. This is what board of directors see and there is a good reason why they run multi million pound football clubs and "most fans" don't.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
... it's because most fans aren't interested in a 37 game record over two seasons.
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I don't agree at all. While the ultimate stat is a season and what people will remember most (i.e. we finished 9th or we got 48 points or whatever), at present we have to judge Monk over split seasons because he hasn't yet finished a full season and it gives a good indication of where he's heading.
 
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aswan_dam said:
I don't agree at all. While the ultimate stat is a season and what people will remember most (i.e. we finished 9th or we got 48 points or whatever), at present we have to judge Monk over split seasons because he hasn't yet finished a full season and it gives a good indication of where he's heading.
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What he said. :)
 
I agree that you can only judge Monk on the time he's been in charge and that is across two seasons - so that makes sense. But it's a ridiculous argument that anyone can say he's the most successful manager in recent times because he simply hasn't had a full season. Is his record really an "indication of where he's heading"? Look how inconsistent we've been for goodness sake. If we end up 8th in May then Laudrup pips him because of the Cup. If he gets 7th or higher then there is an argument. Bottom half and he's nowhere near.

Anyway, off to the game now. COYS! :emoticon-0135-makeu
 
Mrs Miggins said:
I agree that you can only judge Monk on the time he's been in charge and that is across two seasons - so that makes sense. But it's a ridiculous argument that anyone can say he's the most successful manager in recent times because he simply hasn't had a full season. Is his record really an "indication of where he's heading"? Look how inconsistent we've been for goodness sake. If we end up 8th in May then Laudrup pips him because of the Cup. If he gets 7th or higher then there is an argument. Bottom half and he's nowhere near.

Anyway, off to the game now. COYS! :emoticon-0135-makeu
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Okay enjoy the game, hope we win good today.
 
ProjectVRD said:
Claim? It's fact. After 37 league games Monk has Laudrup and Rodgers beat for both win per league game played ratio and points per league game played. How exactly does waiting until the end of the season alter the record of the 37 games?!
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Also more likely to lose games under Monk.
And more likely to fall asleep watching.
There were long discussions going on around me (East) about the Wales England game for most of today's game.
 
I actually thought we played well as a team today and were very good at times, just lacking some intensity but not for the first time this season. If anyone was sleeping or talking about the egg chasers they might consider giving their season ticket to someone who wants to watch the game. Plenty on the waiting list.
 
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Mrs Miggins said:
I actually thought we played well as a team today and were very good at times, just lacking some intensity but not for the first time this season. If anyone was sleeping or talking about the egg chasers they might consider giving their season ticket to someone who wants to watch the game. Plenty on the waiting list.
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Lack of quality final ball & numbers in the box more like!! This has been a Swans issue for successive managers. One quality ball (Naughton), result - goal Ki..
 
Mrs Miggins said:
I agree that you can only judge Monk on the time he's been in charge and that is across two seasons - so that makes sense. But it's a ridiculous argument that anyone can say he's the most successful manager in recent times because he simply hasn't had a full season. Is his record really an "indication of where he's heading"? Look how inconsistent we've been for goodness sake. If we end up 8th in May then Laudrup pips him because of the Cup. If he gets 7th or higher then there is an argument. Bottom half and he's nowhere near.

Anyway, off to the game now. COYS! :emoticon-0135-makeu
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I would say his record is a better indication of where's he's heading than, say, the opinion of a certain group of posters on this forum. <ok>

For the sake of correctness, ML finished 9th, not 8th. <ok>
 
aswan_dam said:
I would say his record is a better indication of where's he's heading than, say, the opinion of a certain group of posters on this forum. <ok>

For the sake of correctness, ML finished 9th, not 8th. <ok>
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What are we now, 13 points better off than this stage last season? That speaks volumes in itself.
 
There is no doubt we have moved away from how we have played, since martinez put in place our style. We now seem to have lost the slick quick passing and movement and seem to be a lot more laborious in possession and a bit more direct. On times players seem to slip back in to the style and that is wehn we look at or most dangerous.

I love the points we have at this stage of the season, but we are not very pretty on the eye anymore.
 
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