Shame you not going E/W - Good day today with those massive prices placing. Will follow but have not backed any yet..Intriguing system..Good Luck
just seen the results! The numbers from previous runs in the systems suggest that backing place isn’t a profitable route. Perhaps that could be wrong!
Wins for Ingleby Archie @11 and Analogical at 1.66 made a profit for the day (+7.25). As @gillamandango says, others ran well into places too. Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 TOTAL 11.29 The only system showing a loss currently is the AW system - Todays bets 14:10 York Max Mayhem Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:25 Yarmouth Rhythmic Acclaim Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:25 Yarmouth Bella Bisbee Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:42 York Glenfinnan Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 16:42 Yarmouth Union Island Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:42 Yarmouth Anglo Saxson Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:25 York Cello Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 18:42 Bath Oasis Sunrise Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 19:12 Bath Darysina Gold Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 19:42 Bath Hawk Jet Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20pt staked
Disappointing day for the systems Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 2025-05-14 -20.00 TOTAL -8.71 14:10 York Pilgrim Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 17:25 York Last Galileo Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 18:00 Kempton Way Of Life Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 20:00 Kempton Searchingtheblues All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG 20:00 Kempton Rockymountainway All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG 20:30 Kempton Arctic Dawn Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 21:00 Kempton Donald Llewellyn All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG 21:00 Kempton Capone All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG 16 staked for the day
Another frustrating day, with one 3.4 bsp winner and two massive priced placed horses. This is to be expected when backing at big prices, so no panic. Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 2025-05-14 -20.00 2025-05-15 -9.19 TOTAL -17.90 Big day today - 13:55 Newbury English Spirit Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 13:55 Newbury Huxley Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 13:55 Newbury Mybad Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:25 Newbury Nap Hand Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:42 York Brioni Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:42 York Debora's Dream Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 16:38 Newmarket Claymore Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:15 Newmarket Bow Street Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:20 Newbury Love You Back Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:20 Newbury Rory's Gold Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:20 Newbury Divot Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:20 Newbury Divot Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 17:30 York One Night Thunder Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:30 York Al Muqdad Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:35 Hamilton Chester Le Streak Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:35 Hamilton Royal Duke Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead? 17:55 Newbury Imperial Cult Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:55 Newbury Dalton Park Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:55 Newbury Percy Jones Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:55 Newbury An Bradan Feasa Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 19:15 Hamilton Letsbefrank Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 19:15 Hamilton Per Contra Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:25 Hamilton Jumeira Vision Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:25 Hamilton Cloud Free Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:25 Hamilton Yellow Lemons Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:25 Hamilton Zumaaty Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 52pts staked today. Including a double stake on Divot!
Just watched Divot's last race Nass. Why did he get a sectional upgrade. Seemed to have a pretty normal run near the rails to me. Despite the race report saying he dwelt, he got away well from what I could see. He did throw his head about at one stage so maybe that was it. Regarding the longest stride, is this relative to others or relative to his stride during the rest of the race. This is another bit that fascinates me as he wasn't gaining at the finish so maybe he naturally has a longer stride due to his conformation. That was his first attempt at 10f What I would find interesting is his previous races (beaten minimum of 6l in all of them). Would he have had sectional and/or longest stride upgrades/downgrades in those races? Is that something you can get from your system(s)?
Stride length top in two of the four runs. Southwell and LTO. This is relative to all horses in race, which can bring same horse to the fore many times if they are an exceptionally long striding horse. Upgrades two of four runs scores 10 or above. LTO and Kempton His upgrade last time was because of his ineffective style by jockey. He went faster than optimum in the early part, which made his last four furlongs really inefficient. The data suggests he could have run much better if he had been ridden more effectively.
Hope you don't mind me commenting Nass but I find this extra data intriguing. Looking at Divots previous races on ATR I wonder what those figures tell us ie the Speed Analysis, Efficiency Rating and the stride length/strides per sec The speed analysis seems to indicate that the pace was immaterial, his feet per second varies significantly from race to race and the efficience rating is all over the place (37.93, 27.81, 4.32, 100.02 - coded D,C,A,F respectively). I'll have to look up what those codes mean What can we tell from these figures?
This is what confuses me. He has an efficiency rating of 100.02 for his last run as opposed to much lower ratings for his previous runs
I see. Looking at this, the strong early pace would not have been ideal for a horse going up in distance for the first time, if not guaranteed to stay
Apologies for my lack of knowledge, I thought this implied they do but I don't know what course par values are "HOW THE OPTIMUMS ARE CALCULATED The optimum figures we display have been calculated by Simon Rowlands, who is the leading expert on Sectional Times in the UK and are derived from efficiently-run races that resulted in fast times. The optimums allow for a standing start, course configuration and topographical changes." Just a thought. Would you prefer I moved my questions to a separate thread to avoid cluttering your selections?
Its useful to be on here. Continue!! The difference is the "efficiently run races in fast times" versus all races in Proform. This is a really good example of horses using their energy inefficiently, the race wasn't run to suit horses who had potential stamina doubts. The interesting one for the selection is that his stride length didn't shorten as much as many, suggesting perhaps they could be more confident of him being able to go with the pace today. That is the theory anyway!!
The best result yesterday was a non runner. Very disappointing, but lets keep going. One new system comes in today, and its a system I like, so has a 5pt staking system. Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 2025-05-14 -20.00 2025-05-15 -9.19 2025-05-16 -46.00 TOTAL -63.90 13:40 Newmarket Arabian Leopard Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 14:00 Newbury Circus Of Rome Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:00 Newbury Genealogy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 14:10 Thirsk Equity Law Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 15:55 Thirsk On The River Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:00 Newmarket Kentucky River Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:05 Bangor-On-Dee Yes And Yes Summer Jumps = Sectionals 16:20 Newbury Epictetus Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:20 Newbury Crown Board Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:20 Newbury Dutch Decoy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:30 Thirsk D Flawless Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:30 Thirsk Federal Envoy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:35 Newmarket Rebel Path Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:55 Newbury Well Enough Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:55 Uttoxeter Ilestdancingspirit Summer Jumps = Sectionals 19:15 Doncaster Almarada Prince Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 20:18 Doncaster Canvas Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 40pt staked Lets have at least a couple of winners today!
A much better day with three winners, priced at 4.6, 20 & 6.18 Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 2025-05-14 -20.00 2025-05-15 -9.19 2025-05-16 -46.00 2025-05-17 20.80 TOTAL -43.10 14:10 Ripon Thornaby Pearl Front Runners - Sectional Time - Look at Race 15:10 Ripon Anjo Bonita Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 15:10 Ripon Etretat Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 15:10 Ripon Titainium Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 15:10 Ripon Timetobenice Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 15:20 Stratford Nickelforce Summer Jumps = Sectionals 15:40 Ripon La Rochette Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 16:15 Newmarket Jacquelina Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:40 Ripon Mr Jetman Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 18:45 Newmarket Naina Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 23 staked today. Some big prices, so could be relying on some luck!
Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 2025-05-14 -20.00 2025-05-15 -9.19 2025-05-16 -46.00 2025-05-17 20.80 2025-05-18 -15.34 TOTAL -58.44 One winner, annoyingly well backed. Again placed efforts at good prices. Crossbar. 15:45 Redcar Bowood Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 16:15 Redcar Rapido Girl Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 18:50 Windsor Regal Envoy Front Runners - Sectional Time - Look at Race 19:20 Windsor Fast Steps Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:00 Wolverhampton Rinky Tinky Tinky Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead? 20:20 Windsor The Pug Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:20 Windsor Sunset In Paris Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 20:30 Wolverhampton Startling Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win 20:30 Wolverhampton Em Four All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG 20:30 Wolverhampton Son Of Astar All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG 21:00 Wolverhampton Rogue Soldier All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
As you know Nass, I'm a bit of a clockwatcher (much to your disapproval ). But what I would find interesting is a clock upgrade feature, similar in concept to your sectional upgrades but in seconds. Could be very useful combining with your other upgrades
Daily Profit/Loss Summary: Date Total Profit/Loss (£) 2025-05-10 15.05 2025-05-11 4.99 2025-05-12 -16.00 2025-05-13 7.25 2025-05-14 -20.00 2025-05-15 -9.19 2025-05-16 -46.00 2025-05-17 20.80 2025-05-18 -15.34 2025-05-20 -12.36 TOTAL -70.80 Another frustrating day!! A pattern!! 14:10 Lingfield Robbo Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 15:02 Nottingham Jamie Bond Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead? 16:02 Nottingham Mrs Twig Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO 17:05 Nottingham Zarathos Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
