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Shame you not going E/W - Good day today with those massive prices placing. Will follow but have not backed any yet..Intriguing system..Good Luck
 
gillamandango said:
Shame you not going E/W - Good day today with those massive prices placing. Will follow but have not backed any yet..Intriguing system..Good Luck
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just seen the results! The numbers from previous runs in the systems suggest that backing place isn’t a profitable route. Perhaps that could be wrong!
 
Wins for Ingleby Archie @11 and Analogical at 1.66 made a profit for the day (+7.25). As @gillamandango says, others ran well into places too.

Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
TOTAL 11.29

The only system showing a loss currently is the AW system -

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Todays bets

14:10 York Max Mayhem Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:25 Yarmouth Rhythmic Acclaim Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:25 Yarmouth Bella Bisbee Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:42 York Glenfinnan Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
16:42 Yarmouth Union Island Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:42 Yarmouth Anglo Saxson Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:25 York Cello Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
18:42 Bath Oasis Sunrise Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
19:12 Bath Darysina Gold Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
19:42 Bath Hawk Jet Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO

20pt staked
 
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Disappointing day for the systems

Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
2025-05-14 -20.00
TOTAL -8.71


14:10 York Pilgrim Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
17:25 York Last Galileo Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
18:00 Kempton Way Of Life Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
20:00 Kempton Searchingtheblues All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
20:00 Kempton Rockymountainway All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
20:30 Kempton Arctic Dawn Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
21:00 Kempton Donald Llewellyn All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
21:00 Kempton Capone All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG


16 staked for the day
 
Another frustrating day, with one 3.4 bsp winner and two massive priced placed horses. This is to be expected when backing at big prices, so no panic.

Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
2025-05-14 -20.00
2025-05-15 -9.19
TOTAL -17.90


Big day today -


13:55 Newbury English Spirit Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
13:55 Newbury Huxley Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
13:55 Newbury Mybad Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:25 Newbury Nap Hand Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:42 York Brioni Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:42 York Debora's Dream Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
16:38 Newmarket Claymore Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:15 Newmarket Bow Street Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:20 Newbury Love You Back Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:20 Newbury Rory's Gold Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:20 Newbury Divot Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:20 Newbury Divot Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
17:30 York One Night Thunder Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:30 York Al Muqdad Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:35 Hamilton Chester Le Streak Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:35 Hamilton Royal Duke Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead?
17:55 Newbury Imperial Cult Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:55 Newbury Dalton Park Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:55 Newbury Percy Jones Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:55 Newbury An Bradan Feasa Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
19:15 Hamilton Letsbefrank Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
19:15 Hamilton Per Contra Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:25 Hamilton Jumeira Vision Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:25 Hamilton Cloud Free Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:25 Hamilton Yellow Lemons Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:25 Hamilton Zumaaty Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO

52pts staked today. Including a double stake on Divot!

 
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Just watched Divot's last race Nass. Why did he get a sectional upgrade. Seemed to have a pretty normal run near the rails to me. Despite the race report saying he dwelt, he got away well from what I could see. He did throw his head about at one stage so maybe that was it. Regarding the longest stride, is this relative to others or relative to his stride during the rest of the race. This is another bit that fascinates me as he wasn't gaining at the finish so maybe he naturally has a longer stride due to his conformation. That was his first attempt at 10f

What I would find interesting is his previous races (beaten minimum of 6l in all of them). Would he have had sectional and/or longest stride upgrades/downgrades in those races? Is that something you can get from your system(s)?
 
Ron said:
Just watched Divot's last race Nass. Why did he get a sectional upgrade. Seemed to have a pretty normal run near the rails to me. Despite the race report saying he dwelt, he got away well from what I could see. He did throw his head about at one stage so maybe that was it. Regarding the longest stride, is this relative to others or relative to his stride during the rest of the race. This is another bit that fascinates me as he wasn't gaining at the finish so maybe he naturally has a longer stride due to his conformation. That was his first attempt at 10f

What I would find interesting is his previous races (beaten minimum of 6l in all of them). Would he have had sectional and/or longest stride upgrades/downgrades in those races? Is that something you can get from your system(s)?
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Stride length top in two of the four runs. Southwell and LTO. This is relative to all horses in race, which can bring same horse to the fore many times if they are an exceptionally long striding horse.

Upgrades two of four runs scores 10 or above. LTO and Kempton

His upgrade last time was because of his ineffective style by jockey. He went faster than optimum in the early part, which made his last four furlongs really inefficient. The data suggests he could have run much better if he had been ridden more effectively.
 
Hope you don't mind me commenting Nass but I find this extra data intriguing. Looking at Divots previous races on ATR I wonder what those figures tell us ie the Speed Analysis, Efficiency Rating and the stride length/strides per sec

The speed analysis seems to indicate that the pace was immaterial, his feet per second varies significantly from race to race and the efficience rating is all over the place (37.93, 27.81, 4.32, 100.02 - coded D,C,A,F respectively). I'll have to look up what those codes mean

What can we tell from these figures?
 
NassauBoard said:
Stride length top in two of the four runs. Southwell and LTO. This is relative to all horses in race, which can bring same horse to the fore many times if they are an exceptionally long striding horse.

Upgrades two of four runs scores 10 or above. LTO and Kempton

His upgrade last time was because of his ineffective style by jockey. He went faster than optimum in the early part, which made his last four furlongs really inefficient. The data suggests he could have run much better if he had been ridden more effectively.
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This is what confuses me. He has an efficiency rating of 100.02 for his last run as opposed to much lower ratings for his previous runs
 
Ron said:
This is what confuses me. He has an efficiency rating of 100.02 for his last run as opposed to much lower ratings for his previous runs
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ATR figures don’t use course par values, where Proform do, hence the difference.
 
I see. Looking at this, the strong early pace would not have been ideal for a horse going up in distance for the first time, if not guaranteed to stay

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NassauBoard said:
ATR figures don’t use course par values, where Proform do, hence the difference.
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Apologies for my lack of knowledge, I thought this implied they do but I don't know what course par values are

"HOW THE OPTIMUMS ARE CALCULATED

The optimum figures we display have been calculated by Simon Rowlands, who is the leading expert on Sectional Times in the UK and are derived from efficiently-run races that resulted in fast times. The optimums allow for a standing start, course configuration and topographical changes."

Just a thought. Would you prefer I moved my questions to a separate thread to avoid cluttering your selections?
 
Ron said:
Apologies for my lack of knowledge, I thought this implied they do but I don't know what course par values are

"HOW THE OPTIMUMS ARE CALCULATED

The optimum figures we display have been calculated by Simon Rowlands, who is the leading expert on Sectional Times in the UK and are derived from efficiently-run races that resulted in fast times. The optimums allow for a standing start, course configuration and topographical changes."

Just a thought. Would you prefer I moved my questions to a separate thread to avoid cluttering your selections?
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Its useful to be on here. Continue!!

The difference is the "efficiently run races in fast times" versus all races in Proform.
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I see. Looking at this, the strong early pace would not have been ideal for a horse going up in distance for the first time, if not guaranteed to stay

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This is a really good example of horses using their energy inefficiently, the race wasn't run to suit horses who had potential stamina doubts. The interesting one for the selection is that his stride length didn't shorten as much as many, suggesting perhaps they could be more confident of him being able to go with the pace today. That is the theory anyway!!
 
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The best result yesterday was a non runner. Very disappointing, but lets keep going. One new system comes in today, and its a system I like, so has a 5pt staking system.

Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
2025-05-14 -20.00
2025-05-15 -9.19
2025-05-16 -46.00
TOTAL -63.90


13:40 Newmarket Arabian Leopard Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
14:00 Newbury Circus Of Rome Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:00 Newbury Genealogy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
14:10 Thirsk Equity Law Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
15:55 Thirsk On The River Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:00 Newmarket Kentucky River Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:05 Bangor-On-Dee Yes And Yes Summer Jumps = Sectionals
16:20 Newbury Epictetus Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:20 Newbury Crown Board Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:20 Newbury Dutch Decoy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:30 Thirsk D Flawless Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:30 Thirsk Federal Envoy Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:35 Newmarket Rebel Path Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:55 Newbury Well Enough Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:55 Uttoxeter Ilestdancingspirit Summer Jumps = Sectionals
19:15 Doncaster Almarada Prince Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
20:18 Doncaster Canvas Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win


40pt staked

Lets have at least a couple of winners today!

 
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A much better day with three winners, priced at 4.6, 20 & 6.18

Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
2025-05-14 -20.00
2025-05-15 -9.19
2025-05-16 -46.00
2025-05-17 20.80
TOTAL -43.10


14:10 Ripon Thornaby Pearl Front Runners - Sectional Time - Look at Race
15:10 Ripon Anjo Bonita Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
15:10 Ripon Etretat Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
15:10 Ripon Titainium Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
15:10 Ripon Timetobenice Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
15:20 Stratford Nickelforce Summer Jumps = Sectionals
15:40 Ripon La Rochette Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
16:15 Newmarket Jacquelina Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:40 Ripon Mr Jetman Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
18:45 Newmarket Naina Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO

23 staked today. Some big prices, so could be relying on some luck!
 
Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
2025-05-14 -20.00
2025-05-15 -9.19
2025-05-16 -46.00
2025-05-17 20.80
2025-05-18 -15.34
TOTAL -58.44

One winner, annoyingly well backed. Again placed efforts at good prices. Crossbar.


15:45 Redcar Bowood Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
16:15 Redcar Rapido Girl Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
18:50 Windsor Regal Envoy Front Runners - Sectional Time - Look at Race
19:20 Windsor Fast Steps Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:00 Wolverhampton Rinky Tinky Tinky Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead?
20:20 Windsor The Pug Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:20 Windsor Sunset In Paris Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
20:30 Wolverhampton Startling Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
20:30 Wolverhampton Em Four All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
20:30 Wolverhampton Son Of Astar All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
21:00 Wolverhampton Rogue Soldier All Weather - Sectional Upgrade - NOHG
 
As you know Nass, I'm a bit of a clockwatcher (much to your disapproval <laugh>). But what I would find interesting is a clock upgrade feature, similar in concept to your sectional upgrades but in seconds. Could be very useful combining with your other upgrades
 
Daily Profit/Loss Summary:
Date Total Profit/Loss (£)
2025-05-10 15.05
2025-05-11 4.99
2025-05-12 -16.00
2025-05-13 7.25
2025-05-14 -20.00
2025-05-15 -9.19
2025-05-16 -46.00
2025-05-17 20.80
2025-05-18 -15.34
2025-05-20 -12.36
TOTAL -70.80

Another frustrating day!! A pattern!!


14:10 Lingfield Robbo Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
15:02 Nottingham Jamie Bond Sectionals - Will they lead and get easy lead?
16:02 Nottingham Mrs Twig Turf - Sectionals - Upgrade LTO
17:05 Nottingham Zarathos Sectional - Longest Stride last furlong but didn't win
 
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