Scotch Independence - the countdown

[Otto Flayshow]

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I've seen these used incorrectly several times this morning.

 

[The Raging Oxter]

I've seen these used incorrectly several times this morning.

Sometimes within the same post

 

[Mick]

I'm setting the class extra homework today.

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I've seen these used incorrectly several times this morning.

I'm awful for this, I just can't help writing "it's" every single time - it's engrained in my brain. Even when I read a book or a news article I actually spot the "its" as if they are the mistakes.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

I'm setting the class extra homework today.

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I've seen these used incorrectly several times this morning.

Apostrophes are used.

 

[EDGE.]

I do love selective point scoring. They're cutting billions on certain things such as welfare while spending billions on vanity projects which will make a small number of people very, very rich (or I should say richer). And none of these vanity projects benefit Scotland.

I'm assuming one of the vanity is trident which employs 1000's in Scotland. I know many vanity/sanity projects that London 'needs'. If you think that London producing 20% of UK GDP doesn't benefit Scotland which is part of the UK, then you're not thinking of the bigger picture. I don't agree that London should get nearly 5 times more spending per head than anywhere else in the UK but I don know that London's success benefits the UK because it is so dominant.

I've told you before: if you want to ask Salmond how he's going to balance the books, ask him. Send him an email. Go along to a meeting he, Nicola Sturgeon or John Swinney are attending and ask. I've never claimed to be an economist and my main driving force behind Scotland becoming independent isn't about how much more money I'll have in my wallet.

It's not up to Salmond though. He'll need to be elected in the first place and I'm assuming an ex Banking economist, he should know that if the nation gets richer, then so do the people, therefore, if you have more money in your purse, then you'll be benefiting from an independent Scotland and so will the Scottish people.

Economics doesn't interest me as much as it does you and Mick. I doubt, from an economic perspective, it'll actually make much difference to me. I'm not voting Yes for myself. I'm doing it for other people as I believe Scotland would be a better country standing on its own two feet.

Well, I'm not too sure. The UK led the world and is still admired in some quarters. My main worry is that if GB is broken up, then we could weaken Scotland and the rUK. The rise of the Eastern giants in China and India who, along with the other BRIC countries are setting up their own development bank to rival the World Bank due to grumblings about the old colonial powers holding too much sway, might be a watershed for us... or it'll probably happen anyway...

All I know is whichever economic model is in place we're going to get f**ed at some point in the future - the question you need to ask yourself is whether an independent Scotland with controls over it's own finances etc. is better placed to survive an economic slump than we would be if we're still part of the UK.

We might and we might not. If we chose the wrong economic path, we won't be better placed.

Whichever way you vote on September 18th it's a risk.

Stopped reading here, IDIOT!

 

[The Raging Oxter]

I'm assuming one of the vanity is trident which employs 1000's in Scotland. I know many vanity/sanity projects that London 'needs'. If you think that London producing 20% of UK GDP doesn't benefit Scotland which is part of the UK, then you're not thinking of the bigger picture.

London draining life out of rest of country - Vince Cable

London "is becoming a giant suction machine draining the life out of the rest of the country", Business Secretary Vince Cable has warned.

Wee businessman fae the arsehole of nowhere versus the Government's Business Secretary.

I wont waste my time reading any more of your posts after that ****e.

 

[EDGE.]

Wee businessman fae the arsehole of nowhere versus the Government's Business Secretary.

I wont waste my time reading any more of your posts after that ****e.

That is your problem. You only read what you want.

I countered that first sentences with why London is also bad for the rest of the UK.

The Londoncentric policies is why the rest of the UK took 5 years to get back to pre-recession levels whereas London just kept growing thoughout.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

I'm assuming one of the vanity is trident which employs 1000's in Scotland. I know many vanity/sanity projects that London 'needs'. If you think that London producing 20% of UK GDP doesn't benefit Scotland which is part of the UK, then you're not thinking of the bigger picture. I don't agree that London should get nearly 5 times more spending per head than anywhere else in the UK but I don know that London's success benefits the UK because it is so dominant.



It's not up to Salmond though. He'll need to be elected in the first place and I'm assuming an ex Banking economist, he should know that if the nation gets richer, then so do the people, therefore, if you have more moneys in your purse, then you'll be benefiting from an independent Scotland and so will the Scottish people.



Well, I'm not too sure. The UK led the world and is still admired in some quarters. My main worry is that if GB is broken up, then we could weaken Scotland and the rUK. The rise of the Eastern giants in China and India who, along with the other BRIC countries are setting up their own development bank to rival the World Bank due to grumblings about the old colonial powers holding too much sway, might be a watershed for us... or it'll probably happen anyway...



We might and we might not. If we chose the wrong economic path, we won't be better placed.



Stopped reading here, IDIOT!

Wit?

You stopped reading at the last line of the post. Well done son

 

[The Raging Oxter]

That is your problem. You only read what you want.

I countered that first sentences with why London is also bad for the rest of the UK.

The Londoncentric policies is why the rest of the UK took 5 years to get back to pre-recession levels whereas London just kept growing thoughout.

Can you feel the beel?

 

[Mick]

There is a brain drain from the regions towards London - our best and brightest **** off to make something of themselves, they generate wealth and tax while they are there and it's distributed back into the regions - then people come around and say you should be thankful to London - pish, if the kids didn't run there they'd stay at home and create the wealth there. As I said before I'm sitting in an office full of 'come-overs' now because the IOM has independence - there would be absolutely **** all people here if this island was just another region sucking off London's tit.

 

[EDGE.]

Wit?

You stopped reading at the last line of the post. Well done son

That was the joke you drunken old *****

You are without doubt, the thickest **** that has ever been on here, and that includes Mindy and Son of Mindy.

 

[Ciaran]

Wit?

You stopped reading at the last line of the post. Well done son

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[A.L.D.O 4.1]

Scotland will be fine. We have lots and lots of lovely oil.

 

[Bib Fortuna's Maw]

No foodbanks in Banbury, ST.

Can someone please let me know that the issue is with foodbanks? Whereas the State used to feed the poor and idle, now society donates to feed these people? What's the difference?

The difference is that since the expansion of the welfare state, charities and charitable organisations had been on a constant decline. Society is dying thanks to State intervention and we all know how competent the State is....

You're nothing but a spastic from Ayrshire with no kids and no care about what happens when you die. You're a selfish **** who should be thrown into jail and raped daily.

The worrying thing is that more and more people are thinking in this way in a weird circle bringing us right back to Victorian times.

The less charity there is, the better - the less it's required, the less it's focused - the US has a "small state, small welfare, big charity" model.

"I don't see the problem with poorhouses, a welfare state will simply stop these people being productive and philanthropists donating to them."

I'm sure if there was one mass charitable philanthropist covering most of the charity in the UK and he could wilfuly not donate to Protestants cos he didn't like them (like Barnardo in reverse), you'd be beeling.

Having the state provide for the people enables it to be held to account.

"What's the matter with foodbanks?"

FFS.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

That was the joke you drunken old *****

You are without doubt, the thickest **** that has ever been on here, and that includes Mindy and Son of Mindy.

And still I seem far more intelligent than you.

 

[EDGE.]

There is a brain drain from the regions towards London - our best and brightest **** off to make something of themselves, they generate wealth and tax while they are there and it's distributed back into the regions - then people come around and say you should be thankful to London - pish, if the kids didn't run there they'd stay at home and create the wealth there. As I said before I'm sitting in an office full of 'come-overs' now because the IOM has independence - there would be absolutely **** all people here if this island was just another region sucking off London's tit.

Yes... I get that.

But I also look at the Irish diaspora and how even after leaving the Empire, Irish migration continued around the world and actually increased. I know that 20% of Scottish born people live in England and wonder how that would change, or if it would stop it. There is then an arguement about brain drain to Scottish cities from Scottish towns. Is it not just natural that people are attracted to big cities, which attract business, which attracts people, which attracts businees, etc...Graduates make up 58 per cent of London's work force, compared with 38 per cent in the working age population in the rest of the UK. How would an Independent Scotland stop that? There is evidence that agglomeration economics fuels London’s success and that would still happen if Scotland was independent.

Unless they cut CT, gave the big companies free buildings and opened the floodgates to Europe's cleverest people. But I don't see that happening in Scotland.

 

[EDGE.]

Scotland will be fine. We have lots and lots of lovely oil.

We could use the oil to pay for benefits or do what Norway does and invest all its oil bounty abroad... and then with the interest on the initial investment, invest all that abroad too except for 4% which they spend in Norway... or we could just pay for ****s not to work or pay for stupid people to stay stupid and breed idiots like your mammy and daddy..

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

So anyhoo.......wits the polls saying today?

 

[Mick]

The worrying thing is that more and more people are thinking in this way in a weird circle bringing us right back to Victorian times.

The less charity there is, the better - the less it's required, the less it's focused - the US has a "small state, small welfare, big charity" model.

"I don't see the problem with poorhouses, a welfare state will simply stop these people being productive and philanthropists donating to them."

I'm sure if there was one mass charitable philanthropist covering most of the charity in the UK and he could wilfuly not donate to Protestants cos he didn't like them (like Barnardo in reverse), you'd be beeling.

Having the state provide for the people enables it to be held to account.

"What's the matter with foodbanks?"

FFS.

The US 'has a small state' is a myth. Their state is well over 40% of GDP - similar to ****ing Norway, and their health system is mostly paid for outside of this. Their Labour laws are ****e (no paid holidays!) and their 'democracy' requires over a billion dollars in advertising spend to have any chance of being elected as head of state. You should see the amount of hurdles we have to jump over to do business there - every **** and their vested interests have it shored up, and you have to grease the hands of politicians to make any headway.

Anyway, food banks, food banks, food banks - while every **** is getting fat.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

We could use the oil to pay for benefits or do what Norway does and invest all its oil bounty abroad... and then with the interest on the initial investment, invest all that abroad too except for 4% which they spend in Norway... or we could just pay for ****s not to work or pay for stupid people to stay stupid and breed idiots like your mammy and daddy..

Nope, bouncy castles for everybody.

What's with this "we". What the **** will it have to do with you? You willl be down there in foodbank free Banbury living the high life.