Scotch Independence - the countdown
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EDGE.
Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023
It would be hilary-ous if the Jocks got Indy and got saddled with a Tory government at Holyrood 
Ahem! The SNP are the majority party in Scotland. Your figures for the percentage of the vote for other parties must be for Westminster elections because the Con/lib vote in the Holyrood elections was around 20% .
Labours vote was in the low 30s
Nevermind eh.
It would be hilary-ous if the Jocks got Indy and got saddled with a Tory government at Holyrood
I think there's more chance of the next royal baby being called Patrick or Bernadette
EDGE.
Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023
Ahem, the SNP got 45% of the vote at Holyrood, meaning..... well, you can work it out.
Probably not, that means that 55% of people who voted, DIDN'T vote for the SNP... ergo, the Scots didn't get who they voted for*
*Yes-ers logic.
EDGE.
Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023
As an outsider, you might think that, Dan. But it was only 50 years ago that the Tories were the biggest party in Scotland. And it's only really been since the 80/90's that their representation has plummeted in Scotland, even though a solid 15-20% regularly vote Tory in the Holyrood elections and Westminster elections.
The Tory brand up here is toxic due to the Thatcher years, perhaps the break from Westminster would reinvigorate the brand and make them electable again.
55% eh. You said in your previous post that Con/Lib recieved a huge 36% of the vote . 5% less than Labour. Which neans Labour must have got 41% of the vote.
Thats a lot more than 55%.
Add the SNPs 45% and thats a total of.......
Umm
Emm
122% of the vote.
Now that is illogical captain
The Tories didn't field a Scottish candidate until 1965.
The party prior to that were the Unionist Party - like Ulster Unionists, they took the Tory whip but were a separate party.
It's like saying Northern Ireland votes Tory just now - they don't really and their reasons for voting as they do are not the same as English people voting Tory.
The party prior to that were the Unionist Party - like Ulster Unionists, they took the Tory whip but were a separate party.
It's like saying Northern Ireland votes Tory just now - they don't really and their reasons for voting as they do are not the same as English people voting Tory.
And the reasons it's a toxic brand are the reasos we need to be Independent
EDGE.
Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023
55% eh. You said in your previous post that Con/Lib recieved a huge 36% of the vote . 5% less than Labour. Which neans Labour must have got 41% of the vote.
Thats a lot more than 55%.
Add the SNPs 45% and thats a total of.......
Umm
Emm
122% of the vote.
Now that is illogical captain
I know reading and understanding the text is difficult for you but you're taking snippets from my posts and coming up with gobbledygook, so I'll attempt to simplify for you.
55% didn't vote for the SNP in the last Holyrood election... meaning that "we didn't get who we voted for".
In my "previous post", that was the Westminster election in reply to ST talking about "tiny minorities" who voted for the current Westminster government (36% of people) which obviously isn't a "tiny minority".
If you need me to further spazify, then I can accommodate.
Well said Roasted Cheese Chopper man will be beelin big style.
Latest poll has the No vote at 59% and Yes vote down to 34%. All over by the looks of things.
EDGE.
Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023
The Tories in Scotland were the Unionist party, if you're wanting to discuss the semantics of it, then we can, but the point I was making remains the same. Scotland had "Tory" ministers who belonged to the Unionist parties like Winston Churchill to name 1 off the top of my head. The link between the Scottish Unionists and the Tories of old are and were a lot stronger then that of the Ulster Unionists and the Tories ever were or are likely to be.
People vote different parties for a variety of reasons, even if they live in the same village. Someone voting Labour in Easterhouse could be voting them for the same reason as someone in Dover, just like someone voting for the SNP in the last Scottish election didn't necessarily do so to get a referendum on Scottish independence even though a lot of people did vote them for that reason.
Voting SNP is like voting UKIP - a protest vote with absolutely no reasoning or facts at all.
The UP were seperate from the Conservative Party - indeed, the merger between the two was the reason that the Tories in Scotland are called The Scottish Conservative and Union Party.
They were almost identical to the Ulster Unionist Parties - the DUP and the UUP took the Tory whip until 1973 - the UP did throughout their existence.
Had the Tories won 14 more seats in the last election, the ruling coalition just now would be the Tories and the DUP not the Tories and the LDs. This would be a coalition not the "same party".
There's a reason they were seperate from the Conservatives and that's because, politically, during the 20th century Scotland was a lot more liberal than England and the use of the word Conservative wasn't seen as positive as elsewhere.
There were, of course, more pecularly Scottish reasons that they remained a seperate party.
The Conservatives weren't the "small government, free market" party people think of them now - and the Unionist Party's membership weren't signed up to the idea of them being the traditional opponents of the Whigs (for religious reasons).
Granted, someone who would vote Conservative in Scotland at the time would've voted UP but then, someone in Northern Ireland who would vote Tory would vote DUP.
I was reading an old school text book I've kept after watching some WWI stuff last night
<thief> and it mentioned that there was a split in the UP after Irish Home Rule - believe it or not, part of that split ended up forming the Scottish Party who merged with another party to become...
...the SNP
So, it could be claimed that the natural successor of the Unionist Party is as much the SNP as it is the Conservatives.
They were almost identical to the Ulster Unionist Parties - the DUP and the UUP took the Tory whip until 1973 - the UP did throughout their existence.
Had the Tories won 14 more seats in the last election, the ruling coalition just now would be the Tories and the DUP not the Tories and the LDs. This would be a coalition not the "same party".
There's a reason they were seperate from the Conservatives and that's because, politically, during the 20th century Scotland was a lot more liberal than England and the use of the word Conservative wasn't seen as positive as elsewhere.
There were, of course, more pecularly Scottish reasons that they remained a seperate party.
The Conservatives weren't the "small government, free market" party people think of them now - and the Unionist Party's membership weren't signed up to the idea of them being the traditional opponents of the Whigs (for religious reasons).
Granted, someone who would vote Conservative in Scotland at the time would've voted UP but then, someone in Northern Ireland who would vote Tory would vote DUP.
I was reading an old school text book I've kept after watching some WWI stuff last night
<thief> and it mentioned that there was a split in the UP after Irish Home Rule - believe it or not, part of that split ended up forming the Scottish Party who merged with another party to become......the SNP
So, it could be claimed that the natural successor of the Unionist Party is as much the SNP as it is the Conservatives.