Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

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Even if Scotland does go independent Labour wont be in opposition in the rUK forever - no party stays in opposition (with a couple of exceptions). When they created devolution in Scotland they did it with the aim of one: making sure the SNP never got into power and two: making sure, in the unlikely event they did, that they would never achieve an overall majority.

It says a lot for the SNP as an election fighting machine that they achieved both of those things. It's why I'm quietly confident that we'll win the referendum in September. The SNP have amazing resources at their disposal and a cracking team of top notch people :smile:
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
Even if Scotland does go independent Labour wont be in opposition in the rUK forever - no party stays in opposition (with a couple of exceptions). When they created devolution in Scotland they did it with the aim of one: making sure the SNP never got into power and two: making sure, in the unlikely event they did, that they would never achieve an overall majority.

It says a lot for the SNP as an election fighting machine that they achieved both of those things. It's why I'm quietly confident that we'll win the referendum in September. The SNP have amazing resources at their disposal and a cracking team of top notch people :smile:
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I think that they got elected on the back of decent governance in their first term, apathy with Labour and the Tories remaining a toxic brand up here, it all pointed to the perfect storm for the SNP. Independence and the SNP have never been in majority in any pools ever, apart from the mysterious Ipsos/MORI poll which was on Malaysian flight MH370.

I think it'll be close but I hope the right decision is made for the right reasons. The tone of the debate has been absolutely dire and this is what concerns me the most. The quality of politicians just now is absolutely useless and when elder statesmen like Pantsdown is showing up Yousef for what he is, a close minded, agenda-driven prick, that is a fear I have that in an Independent Scotland, the political establishment will be awash with ****s like him.
 
Bert the homosexual **** said:
I think that they got elected on the back of decent governance in their first term, apathy with Labour and the Tories remaining a toxic brand up here, it all pointed to the perfect storm for the SNP. Independence and the SNP have never been in majority in any pools ever, apart from the mysterious Ipsos/MORI poll which was on Malaysian flight MH370.

I think it'll be close but I hope the right decision is made for the right reasons. The tone of the debate has been absolutely dire and this is what concerns me the most. The quality of politicians just now is absolutely useless and when elder statesmen like Pantsdown is showing up Yousef for what he is, a close minded, agenda-driven prick, that is a fear I have that in an Independent Scotland, the political establishment will be awash with ****s like him.
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People have always said this and always will.

Politicians are no better or no worse than they were 50 years ago.


a close minded, agenda-driven prick, that is a fear I have that in an Independent Scotland, the political establishment will be awash with ****s like him
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And the other side is full of ****ers too. That's the nature of things.


ps You only hate him because he supports Celtic.
 
Mick O'Toon said:
I was speaking to my brother-in-law yesterday(he's a Nigel) and he doesn't want Scottish independence.His reckoning was to lose Scotland then the Labour vote would be lost and hence be stuck with the Tories forever or worser UKIP<yikes>.Would this be a general view among Nigels?
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This is sadly true Mick, we'll have the Tory ****s in power for eternity. There is however a masterplan in place which will see the reformation of the Union in a few years time.

Reports recently published have indicated the oil will be gone in five years (as will pretty much all the fossil fuels in and around the British isles), so my guess is the Scots will have a mighty piss up for the next few years, eventually run out of oil and money and come crawling back to the Union. We will of course welcome them back with open arms. :)
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
People have always said this and always will.

Politicians are no better or no worse than they were 50 years ago.
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That really isn't true. Whatever your personal beliefs, if you have the slightest knowledge of C20th British history you have to concede that David Lloyd George, Herbert Asquith, Winston Churchill, Clement Attlee, Nye Bevan, Anthony Barber, Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Margeret Thatcher, Norman Bastard Tebbit, Nigel Lawson, even Heath and Wilson where all absolute giants compared to the pigmies lined up in front of us today. Actually the only modern British politician with anything close to the personal gravitas and conviction of that lot is Salmond (whose views I despise), which largely explains the momentum behind the Nationalist cause in Scotland.
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
People have always said this and always will.

Politicians are no better or no worse than they were 50 years ago.

And the other side is full of ****ers too. That's the nature of things.

ps You only hate him because he supports Celtic.
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I listened to a broadcast on Radio 4 before Christmas, it was David Starkers going back to a time when politicians were not paid to be in the House. When they started to pay the MP's (circa 1900), many commentators and detractors said that it would attract the wrong type of people to the role, and there were comparisons made with how commercialised the Senate had become in the US.

Some would say that the naysayers were right....

I don't hate anyone and certainly don't base any importance on which team they support unless it transpires that he likes to shag bhoys.
 
Archers Road said:
That really isn't true. Whatever your personal beliefs, if you have the slightest knowledge of C20th British history you have to concede that David Lloyd George, Herbert Asquith, Winston Churchill, Clement Attlee, Nye Bevan, Anthony Barber, Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Margeret Thatcher, Norman Bastard Tebbit, Nigel Lawson, even Heath and Wilson where all absolute giants compared to the pigmies lined up in front of us today. Actually the only modern British politician with anything close to the personal gravitas and conviction of that lot is Salmond (whose views I despise), which largely explains the momentum behind the Nationalist cause in Scotland.
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Sorry, but that's absolute pish. Churchill was a racist **** for a start.

People always look to some rosy past and cherry pick the good parts.

Tony Benn? Get to ****. Cunt was partly responsible for Thatcher being in power for 13 years.
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
Sorry, but that's absolute pish. Churchill was a racist **** for a start.

People always look to some rosy past and cherry pick the good parts.

Tony Benn? Get to ****. Cunt was partly responsible for Thatcher being in power for 13 years.
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I didn't say they didn't have flaws, monumental ones in some cases. I said they were giants compared to the pygmies of today. I stand by that.
 
VenomPD said:
No denying that the ****s from that era were the best orators in modern history. Churchill, De Gaulle & Hitler are all unsurpassed in terms of recent politics.
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Stalin rose from being a Georgian peasant to ruling one of the biggest empires in the world.

We'll never see the likes again.

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Rupert The Gayer said:
Stalin rose from being a Georgian peasant to ruling one of the biggest empires in the world.

We'll never see the likes again.

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All the politicians these days are soundbite ****ers with a massive PR machine behind then. No personality whatsoever just clones with varying ideas.
 
VenomPD said:
All the politicians these days are soundbite ****ers with a massive PR machine behind then. No personality whatsoever just clones with varying ideas.
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The mainstream ones certainly. Unfortunately, it was imported here from the States by the likes of Mandelson, Campbell and Philip Gould.
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
The mainstream ones certainly. Unfortunately, it was imported here from the States by the likes of Mandelson, Campbell and Philip Gould.
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I don't really have much interest in politics beyond the day-to-day mainstream. But even the politicians I remember from the early 90's had more about them than the current crop.

How do you differentiate between Cameron, Clegg & Miliband? Three gormless looking posh fuds with a gaping hole where their morality should reside.
 
I've always like the Liberal Democrats. They seem to be more honest than the rest and tell you as it is.

The other ****s just sugar-coat everything and blame the others for the pit-falls.
 
Bert the homosexual **** said:
I've always like the Liberal Democrats. They seem to be more honest than the rest and tell you as it is.

The other ****s just sugar-coat everything and blame the others for the pit-falls.
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The Lib Dems were the main party in the Highlands when I was growing up. Lost most of their supporters up there when they formed the coalition with the Tories.
 
I gave my secondary PR vote to the Greens so I'm partly responsible for Patrick Harvie being in Holyrood.

I want him to be First Minister <ok>

Wants a republic
Wants a living wage
Loves the boaby
<ok>

That's precisely what our country needs - to be united right behind one bald little gay man.
 
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