Blow this democracy laugh where everyone gets to vote before they give out the results eh? I'll give the electoral commission a ring and see what they can do to make it more exciting for you
Scotch Independence - the countdown
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Blow this democracy laugh where everyone gets to vote before they give out the results eh? I'll give the electoral commission a ring and see what they can do to make it more exciting for you
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[h=1]Is Scottish referendum a canary in the coal mine?[/h] By Andrew Wilson 15 Sep, 2014 at 14:20
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The nation state is under pressure as an entity.
Is it still fit for purpose in a technology-driven globalised world, and do official borders on a map mean that much? The bulk of human existence has instead been based around tribal-type organisational structures, and one can see a reversion to that model today in the Middle East, or rather the reality that in many places it was never left that far behind.
Civilizations have tended to collapse when the marginal pay-off no longer rewards their level of complexity and continued investment (taxes), and hence people decline to give ongoing support to the structure. This has been well documented over the years, for example by Joseph Tainter in 'The Collapse of Complex Societies'.
The current political model in the developed world shows early signs of such vulnerability, as seen in the various independence campaigns highlighting more local aims, even just in Europe, and topically, in Scotland. The large nation state has had a good run, for some 400 years, but perhaps more decentralised systems with greater economic freedom (even City states?) might come in to vogue again.
One perspective is that most social democracies are already technically insolvent, no longer fit for purpose, and ultimately poor value for tax payer money. The Chinese Dynasties were known for running into financial difficulties, each after a hundred years or so, and perhaps this is just an inevitability of human nature and governance, and that stimulates renewal. Today's issues range from Welfare systems that are unable to endure in anything like their current form, to increasing regulation and inefficiencies that are the very last things that any country in the "global race" needs, or that anyone would themselves vote for.
The irony for the Scots is that they are not choosing whether to go it alone when they lead the world in education, engineering, finance and philosophy, as they did 150 years ago; or even when they have uncovered a bountiful, rather than depleted, energy inheritance. Nevertheless, a substantial 'Yes' vote, even if not a majority, would evidence a desire for structural political change, perhaps more broadly held, that could be a canary in the coalmine, and to eventually prove irresistible in other countries. Investors, as much as politicians, will need to adapt to this potential reality.
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The nation state is under pressure as an entity.
Is it still fit for purpose in a technology-driven globalised world, and do official borders on a map mean that much? The bulk of human existence has instead been based around tribal-type organisational structures, and one can see a reversion to that model today in the Middle East, or rather the reality that in many places it was never left that far behind.
Civilizations have tended to collapse when the marginal pay-off no longer rewards their level of complexity and continued investment (taxes), and hence people decline to give ongoing support to the structure. This has been well documented over the years, for example by Joseph Tainter in 'The Collapse of Complex Societies'.
The current political model in the developed world shows early signs of such vulnerability, as seen in the various independence campaigns highlighting more local aims, even just in Europe, and topically, in Scotland. The large nation state has had a good run, for some 400 years, but perhaps more decentralised systems with greater economic freedom (even City states?) might come in to vogue again.
One perspective is that most social democracies are already technically insolvent, no longer fit for purpose, and ultimately poor value for tax payer money. The Chinese Dynasties were known for running into financial difficulties, each after a hundred years or so, and perhaps this is just an inevitability of human nature and governance, and that stimulates renewal. Today's issues range from Welfare systems that are unable to endure in anything like their current form, to increasing regulation and inefficiencies that are the very last things that any country in the "global race" needs, or that anyone would themselves vote for.
The irony for the Scots is that they are not choosing whether to go it alone when they lead the world in education, engineering, finance and philosophy, as they did 150 years ago; or even when they have uncovered a bountiful, rather than depleted, energy inheritance. Nevertheless, a substantial 'Yes' vote, even if not a majority, would evidence a desire for structural political change, perhaps more broadly held, that could be a canary in the coalmine, and to eventually prove irresistible in other countries. Investors, as much as politicians, will need to adapt to this potential reality.
Well don't make stupid comments about referenda being boring at 3PM on polling day then
All yes voters (including Barrie Lochrie of Twechar) are hate filled spastics
(well half are, the other half are just *****s)
(well half are, the other half are just *****s)
Aye, this is my (stupid, unrealistic, Utopian) vision, where we have a marketplace of states competing for the business of the citizen (within a free trade area). They say one of the reasons the US initially grew so fast economically was because the Federal Government was weak, and local State Governments were all in competition with each other to get the new immigrants and businesses in. New York as a poor little port town only built the Erie Canal to try steal business and people from booming Philadelphia. Now the nation state is a big bloated **** with a virtual Government monopoly of its citizenry - and this is why I fear those UKIP ****s getting in control and closing EU borders.
We're aw gonny be rich!
Am gonny buy me a yacht and sail around the Mediterranean.
**** sake Dan, you don't have to be nasty, I was only talking on an internet forum - no need to hurt my feelings.
I did aye, in a rather un-Dan-like aggressive fashion. Now shut up while I make him feel awkward.
I actually think he is right in fairness - people probably should be nice to each other on here. Good luck enforcing it though
Mick don't **** with Watford fans on here
Haven't you got a book to go read?
You shut yer ****in face, anaw.
Haven't you got any more opinions based on something you've never learned about, or someone you don't know, or somewhere you've never been?
It's getting nasty in here
Did anyone see the John Oliver skit on Scottish independence?
I have to admit that's becoming my favourite programme on TV - it's magic.
Is anybody else still not flagging?
I've had hardly any sleep and I've still got a big beautiful Scottish democracy hard-on.
There's no way I'll stay up tonight - running on empty already.
Mon the bold.
I have to admit that's becoming my favourite programme on TV - it's magic.
Is anybody else still not flagging?
I've had hardly any sleep and I've still got a big beautiful Scottish democracy hard-on.
There's no way I'll stay up tonight - running on empty already.
Mon the bold.