Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  • Yes

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Bert the homosexual **** said:
Not at all, Jean.

My father is an ardent Nationalist and always has been. Quarter of my immediate blood family are dirty bead rattlers as is my moist wife. I detest people bringing religion, football into the political sphere, I am equally as damning on Rangers fans voting No based on their support of a football club, as I am on mhanky monobrowed Celtc fans voting for Yes based on the perverse view that Yes Scotland means Nigel and Jock will leave Paddy alone.

I will probably vote Yes/No to spite whoever will beel most at the outcome of Independence/Better Together.

#mature
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Fair enough.

I was a No vote until the last couple of years. I always thought Independence was a bit pointless but the fact that Devolution has only really created more bureaucracy and that we've got a shockingly inept government, which most of Scotland didn't vote for, in Westminster has changed my mind.
 
I think the staus quo has worked out pretty well in the recent past, the last SNP administration did a sterling job all things considered and for all the moaning about Tory cuts, they were left in a **** of a position by Blair and Brown who proceeded over the growth bubble and squandered the tax bounty to bribe the electorate to re-elect them based on getting more of their tax back instead of just cutting taxes as the Con-Libs have done.

I don't see the point in Independence from London to give sovereignty over to the EU. I don't see the point in losing our voice as part of the UK when bartering in European circles, to try and reapply as little ol' Scotland. It just doesn't make sense.

Likewise though, I see HS2 as being a further investment in England's infrastructure where we've been left out, I cast admiring eyes down at London and the SE growth, and wonder why we can't get that up here.

I'm undecided, but when we've got a lunatic fringe well represented up here, I worry for an Independent Scotland.
 
A lunatic fringe? <laugh>

Aye, only in Scotland eh?

Meanwhile, half the Tories want to pull out of Europe and the opinion polls have them neck and neck with Labour for the next Westminster election. Let's look forward to a Tory/UKip coalition made up of bampots like Farage and Michael Fabricant.
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
A lunatic fringe?

Aye, only in Scotland eh?

Meanwhile, half the Tories want to pull out of Europe and the opinion polls have them neck and neck with Labour for the next Westminster election. Let's look forward to a Tory/UKip coalition made up of bampots like Farage and Michael Fabricant.
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I have faith in the British electorate and people to do the right thing. The British people as a collective have often rejected many forms of extremism, from Cromwell, to Molsley, to Communism and Socialism. I'm unsure that the Scots have the same vigour and conviction. It's no secret that most Scots are bigoted alcoholic drug addicts.
 
Bert the homosexual **** said:
I think the staus quo has worked out pretty well in the recent past, the last SNP administration did a sterling job all things considered and for all the moaning about Tory cuts, they were left in a **** of a position by Blair and Brown who proceeded over the growth bubble and squandered the tax bounty to bribe the electorate to re-elect them based on getting more of their tax back instead of just cutting taxes as the Con-Libs have done.

I don't see the point in Independence from London to give sovereignty over to the EU. I don't see the point in losing our voice as part of the UK when bartering in European circles, to try and reapply as little ol' Scotland. It just doesn't make sense.

Likewise though, I see HS2 as being a further investment in England's infrastructure where we've been left out, I cast admiring eyes down at London and the SE growth, and wonder why we can't get that up here.

I'm undecided, but when we've got a lunatic fringe well represented up here, I worry for an Independent Scotland.
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I have a double bias, I never much liked the UK from an idealogical point of view - and there are **** all higher level jobs for me in the British Isles outside of the independent territories (Channel Islands, IOM, ROI) or London. I just can't imagine why I would start a business in the likes of Belfast, apart from the fact that I have family there etc - so how can I expect outsiders to consider it a good place to set up shop? If I wanted to start a creative business with 'intellectual property' exports I'd start somewhere more business friendly than the UK - if I wanted to start a business selling physical goods then I'd do it where there is a big consumer base and lower logistic costs (England) - the peripheral countries inside the UK offer no incentives other than cheap staff or cheap property - so they are basically competing on price, with the likes of India.

In saying that, it's very likely that even if Scotland votes no we'd see Devo-Max and the likes of Scotland and NI could end up more or less as independent Crown protectorates like the Channel Islands or IOM - which achieves most of what I would want anyway.
 
The current cabinet in Wesminster is riddled with ****s who have little to no perception of how the average person lives.

There is no benevolence forthcoming from then and have continually acted in a way to preserve the status quo for their corporate pals.

All you need to know about the Tories is that Boris might be their next leader. <doh>
 
MalteseMick said:
I have a double bias, I never much liked the UK from an idealogical point of view - and there are **** all higher level jobs for me in the British Isles outside of the independent territories (Channel Islands, IOM, ROI) or London. I just can't imagine why I would start a business in the likes of Belfast, apart from the fact that I have family there etc - so how can I expect outsiders to consider it a good place to set up shop? If I wanted to start a creative business with 'intellectual property' exports I'd start somewhere more business friendly than the UK - if I wanted to start a business selling physical goods then I'd do it where there is a big consumer base and lower logistic costs (England) - the peripheral countries inside the UK offer no incentives other than cheap staff or cheap property - so they are basically competing on price, with the likes of India.

In saying that, it's very likely that even if Scotland votes no we'd see Devo-Max and the likes of Scotland and NI could end up more or less as independent Crown protectorates like the Channel Islands or IOM - which achieves most of what I would want anyway.
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That's what I think would be the best outcome. Greater autonomy but under the umbrella of the Union which give the Jock's the best of both worlds and if we make a **** of it, ask Nige for a leg-up.
 
Bert the homosexual **** said:
I have faith in the British electorate and people to do the right thing. The British people as a collective have often rejected many forms of extremism, from Cromwell, to Molsley, to Communism and Socialism. I'm unsure that the Scots have the same vigour and conviction. It's no secret that most Scots are bigoted alcoholic drug addicts.
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Is this the same British electorate that returned a terrible Tory government because they won a war against a bankrupt nation ?

The English electorate will vote for who the Sun tells them to vote for . Just like they normally do .
 
Rupert The Gayer said:
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I don't see the problem with that. More people are volunteering to help the poor and donate their own food and time. What's the difference between the Red Cross helping out people or giving them other peoples money so they can buy food/***s/bevvy for themselves?
 
aldotheapache said:
Is this the same British electorate that returned a terrible Tory government because they won a war against a bankrupt nation ?

The English electorate will vote for who the Sun tells them to vote for . Just like they normally do .
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What was the alternative? Vote in the shambolic Labour party who oversaw Red Britain's 3 day week, mass strikes and the Unions calling the shots? Not helped by Tony Benn's desire to split the party might I add.
 
Bert the homosexual **** said:
What was the alternative? Vote in the shambolic Labour party who oversaw Red Britain's 3 day week, mass strikes and the Unions calling the shots? Not helped by Tony Benn's desire to split the party might I add.
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Ahem...

The Three-Day Week was one of several measures introduced in the United Kingdom by the Conservative Government 1970&#8211;1974 to conserve electricity, the production of which was severely limited due to industrial action by coal miners.
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Bert the homosexual **** said:
What was the alternative? Vote in the shambolic Labour party who oversaw Red Britain's 3 day week, mass strikes and the Unions calling the shots? Not helped by Tony Benn's desire to split the party might I add.
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Thatchers government were the mist unpopular government since the war . Ironic then that it took another war to get them re-elected .
 
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