Schumacher DID NOT Break The Rules

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http://duncanblog.dailymail.co.uk/2...er-stuck-to-the-rules-in-hamilton-battle.html

Take a look, I am shocked by the fact this is an English tabloid.
Remember : 1 move to defend - no rule on taking the line for the corner.

Stupid beeb, I urge everyone to take a look at the BBC F1 page.. sorry (anti-Schumacher page). As it seems I am the only voice for Schumacher's side on this forum I will say this, Hamilton got passed in the end when Michael yielded, he could have gone back at Hamilton once again..
[video=youtube;BIO5XEiZutU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIO5XEiZutU[/video]
I am a bit sad about the saps on here bashing Schumacher on his maneuvers and not taking notice of his improvements and overtaking action.
Webber's China comeback was overrated compared to Schumacher's resurgence in Spa, it is clear to notice.. people sadly these days have a second agenda.
 
I don't like the word Fan (regarding a single individual) but im a huge admirer of Schumacher. He have been number one since senna past, unquestionably. Closely followed by Alonso before the rest of the field, though a few other drivers probably have equal or similar talent and just need more time and experience to grow and possibly elevate to the same level in the future.

I am only a few weeks old here on this forum, so didn't want to be too much pro Schumi as this is mainly a Brittish forum. Of coarse(or is it course?) most people will favor their countrymen before others. But I am already being a bit fed up. Scumacher had a great race and even if I thought it was 100% clean and by the rules I DO understand that a Britt and Hamilton supporter would question it. Not the "squeeze" just the 1 vs 2 move defend. we can clearly see in this video that the squeeze only appeared like a squeeze looking from other angles. Just the same way BBC accused him fro squeezing Rubens last year it was miles of a real situation.

But most of all I am a Fan of Formula 1 and like pretty much all the drivers.
 
i think its disgraceful that the bbc have chosen to vilify schumacher over what happened. maybe the action was a bit over the limits but for andrew benson saying it is the return of the "old" schumacher is a bit extreme
 
Manny - You're not the only voice for Schumacher on here. I am also a huge fan of his and I also don't think he did anything wrong. I think it's good for the sport to have a living legend still competing at the top and it's testament to his huge talent that he can still mix it with much younger drivers even with an inferior car.
 
Why is the return of the old schumi a bad thing lol?

Don't you want exciting seasons?
 
Schumacher DID NOT Break The Rules

I don't really agree Manny. My reasoning is almost exactly explained here by Martin Brundle:


Martin Brundle (BBC) said:
Surprisingly, they were not asked to comment on the robust defence by Michael Schumacher from Lewis Hamilton. A steward told me after the race that he was very frustrated not to have been consulted during the race, particularly as he takes a very dim view of what he perceived as blocking. I asked race director Charlie Whiting if the stewards can call up issues for themselves if they are not happy with something they see, and he said: "Absolutely".

The procedure which did happen was race control spoke with the team and gave a warning which translated into two radio calls from team principal Ross Brawn to Schumacher to leave more space for Hamilton.

This undoubtedly confirmed Schumacher was driving in an aggressive and questionable manner, and it must be said that many teams and drivers would have appreciated this service in the past rather than being issued an immediate penalty. The regulations are very clear that you cannot force another driver off the track. It should have been at least investigated as to whether Alonso did this to Vettel, and Schumacher to Hamilton.

When the stewards look at an incident, they have GPS trace overlays, car data, and many camera angles to carefully analyse a driver's consistency of line and actions. I have learned several times again this season that one camera angle may well not tell the whole story.

There is an agreed code of conduct that only one move across the track is allowed in defence of a position, and there is a further sporting trust between many of the drivers. The 'one-move' arrangement can be complicated on an incident-by-incident case as to whether or not retaking the racing line for braking and turn-in constitutes a second move, or a right having successfully defended the position. Furthermore, when trying to drop a car out of the slipstream on a long straight by weaving around, when does this become a block?
Hamilton fell foul of this in Malaysia on the long pit straight when moving four times in front of Alonso, having been warned the year before.

Schumacher's secondary defensive moves were pushing the limits to the absolute extreme and he was lucky to get away with it. There were several questionable moves on Sunday by Schumacher - during braking into Ascari; the apparent sweep right pushing Hamilton onto the grass at Curva Grande; and the clear double move between the second chicane and first Lesmo corner.
It must be noted that Jenson Button cruised up and passed the pair of them in a handful of corners, and Hamilton made it quite clear his priority was finishing the race.
Sometimes you do get a psychological block when following a particular driver on a given day. I know that feeling well.

I also know the feeling of being on the receiving end of Schumacher's late moves, especially when I was his team-mate. He barged me on to the grass big time in Hungary in 1992. But this is my view of Sunday.

Did we see a consistency of application of driving standards rules? No.
Have drivers been penalised for less than Schumacher did? Yes.
Has Hamilton been punished for less? Yes.
I thought Hamilton handled the post-race interviews very maturely. With the information I have would I have penalised Schumacher in the race? No, we need quality racing and it's meant to be tough out there, but a reprimand may have been appropriate. I stand by what I said in commentary - Schumacher was placing his car very well, but his secondary defensive moves were pushing the limits to the absolute extreme and he was lucky to get away with it.

Why are we sensitive to blocking?
It's the scourge of all junior racing, and will sooner rather than later cause the death of a driver or marshal, or send a car flying into the grandstands.

It's not about favouring one driver over another.

 
Take a look, I am shocked by the fact this is an English tabloid.
Remember : 1 move to defend - no rule on taking the line for the corner.

Sorry Manny, but that's bull, I don't even know how to argue against it, it's completely wrong. You're allowed one move to defend, you can't weave around in the braking zone and Schumacher broke the rules on at least two separate occasions. When your own team principle is coming on the radio giving you driving tips it's a clear indication you're doing something wrong. <ok>

And I'm not part of an "anti-Schumacher brigade", I frequently criticise the BBC for their witch-hunt against him, but yesterday he was completely and obviously in the wrong.
 
I love the old Schumi. This is motor racing and I'm hating how it is becoming. No one would have said a word 10 years ago. I love watching aggressive defence. I feel for Hamilton though as I'm sure he would have got a penalty for what Schumi did. I wish Hamilton was around in the Mclaren back in Schumi's day when this kind of racing was the norm.
 
i think its disgraceful that the bbc have chosen to vilify schumacher over what happened. maybe the action was a bit over the limits but for andrew benson saying it is the return of the "old" schumacher is a bit extreme

Benson is a moron. Read anything he writes with a pinch of salt. He's convinced hamilton is the greatest ever, not Senna, not Clark.
 
*raises hand*

I stuck up for him too. I love good hard racing like that. That's what racing is all about. I'll take a good honest scrap over a DRS enabled fly by any day.
 
I thought overall it was a great battling drive from michael on Sunday. He walked the line on occasion but was mostly fair.
 
I agree Schumi did nothing wrong it was just Hamilton being ineffectual at passing him that made people think he was weaving Jenson had no problem getting by Michael, he just braved it out on the outside at ascari and took the place, eventually Lewis did the same thing.
 
mephistopheles:1286301 said:
I agree Schumi did nothing wrong it was just Hamilton being ineffectual at passing him that made people think he was weaving Jenson had no problem getting by Michael, he just braved it out on the outside at ascari and took the place, eventually Lewis did the same thing.

I'm not sure that I subscribe to that take on it. Schuey and Lewis were fighting pretty hard and Jenson simply strolled up and capitalized on the their tangling and burned tyres.
 
I am pleased to say.. we have woken..
That race was like a battle between Hakkinen and Schumacher, before Lewis grassed Michael up the harsh reality of F1 "at the present day" kicked in, no longer are 20-30 lap duels allowed, only 1 overtake and that is it.
Something shown when Michael yielded for Hamilton and had to stop himself going on the attack again. Sad days. Thanks for the backing guys.
 
Manny - You're not the only voice for Schumacher on here. I am also a huge fan of his and I also don't think he did anything wrong. I think it's good for the sport to have a living legend still competing at the top and it's testament to his huge talent that he can still mix it with much younger drivers even with an inferior car.

Truthful and honest comment. My mind is with you here.. people don't want proper racing anymore.
It was a pleasure watching a middle aged man defending against a recent champion in a car 1.5 secs slower.
Schumacher basically showed Hamilton how to drive an f1 car as it should be, not by commanding complaints for the FIA to give him the easy way out of a difficult situation.
From this, I can confirm that the old Schumacher from 2006 is back.
 
everyone knows Schumacher was, and still is, a dirty cheat, won more than half his titles by cheating, and since he's come back he's shown that he is still a cheat. Only a blinkered moronic partisan would say there was nothing wrong with what schumacher did, swerving to try and put someone off track isn't even allowed in stock-car racing, banger racing maybe. It was exactly the same type of move he did on Barricello.

It's easy to judge Schumacher as he is the same dirty cheat he always was.
 
Look guys - he did illegal blocking moves. But others do it too. The stewards make a decision - in this case warning the team.
All this argy-bargy gets nowhere - slight slapped wrist. Thats all. excessive fuss IMO.
 
I can confirm that the old Schumacher from 2006 is back.

That much is quite clear............

Hope one day someone shoves him 2 inches from a pitwall or makes him take to the grass at 180mph.

What would your reaction be then? Just a bit of robust racing?
 
everyone knows Schumacher was, and still is, a dirty cheat, won more than half his titles by cheating, and since he's come back he's shown that he is still a cheat. Only a blinkered moronic partisan would say there was nothing wrong with what schumacher did, swerving to try and put someone off track isn't even allowed in stock-car racing, banger racing maybe. It was exactly the same type of move he did on Barricello.

It's easy to judge Schumacher as he is the same dirty cheat he always was.
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