I wonder what the penalty clause is, should Cameron not deliver, an even more interesting scenario perhap's, yes DC is wriggling, not an enviable position.
Save the world from Murdoch
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Obviously researched by the Ginger witch, well thought through, eye catching front page, will sell a bundle.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14082668
Things are improving, the BSkyB thing is not over by far, Ofcom are to give a ruling on how fit NewsCorp are to own the business.
Things are improving, the BSkyB thing is not over by far, Ofcom are to give a ruling on how fit NewsCorp are to own the business.
Yeah, which they can't do until after the police investigation. However, the judge-led public inquiry into phone hacking is also not going to happen until after the police investigation, even though there's no legal requirement to wait. I'm very disappointed in Cameron (and Miliband) today. There's an opportunity here to put the press (and specifically Murdoch) in its place and return politics to the politicians and the electorate. Neither of them seem to have the stomach for the fight.
As well as Coulson, the ex-NotW Royal Editor, Clive Goodman, who was jailed in 2007 along with Glenn Mulcaire, has been arrested today and both Coulson's home and the offices of the Daily Star have been raided by the police. What rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
May not be going far enough I agree, but at least its in the right direction and as more and more illegal issues become revealed, Cameron et al will have to respond appropriately, won't they !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're on the ball there, Ernie. In the meeting Brooks had with NotW staff this afternoon she told them the paper had to be shut down because there is worse to come. How can it get any worse? Rather sinisterly she said, "In a year's time it will be clear why we did this."
She's been removed from the internal investigation but remains in post. I'm starting to seriously think she must be Murdoch's daughter.
She must have something on the Murdochs otherwise she would be a goner. The truth will come out eventually I'm sure. Interesting today that Cameron made a point of saying Coulson was his friend, after he'd just been arrested for corruption, seems like they are all in it together come what may.
Anyway, this afternoon I've just signed my new contract to work on after retirement for another year and another new project, I love my job, its like going to work and playing with a trainset all day, Its' just the Yank's continual desire for more for less that pisses me off on occasion.
Yes mate, all a wagon load of lying, freeloading, kniveing, ruling class, bastards, no good to man nor beast, they live in a different world.
I saw some interesting analogies with Watergate today on the news, here's mine, maybe Brooks will become 'Deepthroat' in this instance (in more ways than one, like you say!)
Rupert Murdoch is an Australian.
Most countries have laws stating that no foreign national can have a controlling stake in a country's media.
Rupert Murdoch has become a UK national to own UK media. Then he became a US national to have ownership of US media. He then became a Canadian.
All of the politicians in those countries are terrified of him.
He left his wife and had an affair with a younger lady and the tabloids were too frightened to discuss it.
My axe to grind is not with what Murdoch has been doing blatantly for the last 20 years but I do have an axe to grind with some of the individuals on this forum.
When this section of the forum was first set up I thought that it was a breath of fresh air with sensible moderation. Now it seems that it is a case of “pick and choose”.
I have known ernieBecc and communicated with him for many years under a variety of user names. Therefore, I have no problem with his article.
I do have a problem with the direction that this forum appears to me to be going in.
You seem to be obsessed with building your own clique of people that agree with each other.
I am sure that if I had written this article you would have looked at my user name and deleted it immediately on the grounds that it was off topic.
Most countries have laws stating that no foreign national can have a controlling stake in a country's media.
Rupert Murdoch has become a UK national to own UK media. Then he became a US national to have ownership of US media. He then became a Canadian.
All of the politicians in those countries are terrified of him.
He left his wife and had an affair with a younger lady and the tabloids were too frightened to discuss it.
My axe to grind is not with what Murdoch has been doing blatantly for the last 20 years but I do have an axe to grind with some of the individuals on this forum.
When this section of the forum was first set up I thought that it was a breath of fresh air with sensible moderation. Now it seems that it is a case of “pick and choose”.
I have known ernieBecc and communicated with him for many years under a variety of user names. Therefore, I have no problem with his article.
I do have a problem with the direction that this forum appears to me to be going in.
You seem to be obsessed with building your own clique of people that agree with each other.
I am sure that if I had written this article you would have looked at my user name and deleted it immediately on the grounds that it was off topic.
Did anyone watch Channel 4 news last night? They had Editor of The Times, Roger Alton, blaming the public for putting the NotW staff out of work: I couldn't believe my ears! In sneering and sarcastic tones, he accused the "fair trade tea drinking, organic biscuit eating 'yummy mummies' on Twitter" of scaring advertisers and thus losing hundreds of people their jobs!!!!! " I hope they're feeling pleased with themselves", he added, but no mention of phone hacking, corruption, Coulson etc.
However, we are told that the Times is a decent newspaper, apparently, and News International's staff today are not the nasty types of old - my arse! This nasty, narcissistic nonsense is so illustrative of the culture of Murdoch's business and it is Murdoch's media culture: he created it and he presides over it still but where is he? Why isn't he answering to any of this?
Furthermore, we are told that Brooks remains in her job to act as a "lightning conductor" for the trouble to come. Really? So where is she then? I haven't seen hide nor hair of her, has anyone else? Just a fuzzy photo of her in a car and her voice taped by an (ex) employee speaking to NotW staff. If she's there to deal with the trouble, why is she mute and invisible? Like Nick HCFC, I wonder what secrets she may have that keep her in her position.
Bottom line: why are the big players in this, the ones the buck supposedly stops with, silent and invisible? Why aren't they facing the public and dealing with this?
On a more positive note, I have noticed conspicuously high piles of both The Sun and The Times remaining in my local Tesco these last few evenings.
However, we are told that the Times is a decent newspaper, apparently, and News International's staff today are not the nasty types of old - my arse! This nasty, narcissistic nonsense is so illustrative of the culture of Murdoch's business and it is Murdoch's media culture: he created it and he presides over it still but where is he? Why isn't he answering to any of this?
Furthermore, we are told that Brooks remains in her job to act as a "lightning conductor" for the trouble to come. Really? So where is she then? I haven't seen hide nor hair of her, has anyone else? Just a fuzzy photo of her in a car and her voice taped by an (ex) employee speaking to NotW staff. If she's there to deal with the trouble, why is she mute and invisible? Like Nick HCFC, I wonder what secrets she may have that keep her in her position.
Bottom line: why are the big players in this, the ones the buck supposedly stops with, silent and invisible? Why aren't they facing the public and dealing with this?
On a more positive note, I have noticed conspicuously high piles of both The Sun and The Times remaining in my local Tesco these last few evenings.
The Times hides behind the facade of being an intellectual and fair paper. I used to be an avid reader but slowly realised that what I was being fed was the same political gospel according to Murdoch that The Sun and NoTW spewed to the undereducated masses but in a more intellectual way. I moved immediately to The Guardian and Independant. The Time's editor's comments merely confirm that stance.
No, fortunately I didn't. Some of the reactions I've seen from NotW staff bleating about being tarred with the brush used on their predecessors have been sickening enough (it's still, is it not, the same bigoted, right-wing, racist, sexist, homophobic trash that it was then and current employees are equally guilty because their targets are the same even if their methods are different; although it has emerged that as recently as January one of the current lot deleted half a terabyte of incriminating emails, which shows that corruption is alive and well there and that James Murdoch was lying the other night when he said the organisation is working transparently and cooperatively with the police). The steady flow of pundits claiming this is a dark day for investigative journalism are idiots, liars or equally corrupt. It's an heroic day for investigative journalism. It's a dark day for lazy, corrupt, cheque-book journalism of the type that has pervaded the British press since 1969.
Well, I've just heard that Citizen Kane finally flies in today to deal with his mess. I wonder if he's having lunch with Cameron... 
Hopefully the police (the good ones) have enough evidence to make a statement later along the lines of, "an eighty-year old man has been arrested on suspicion of conspiring to intercept communications and on suspicion of corruption allegations..."Well, I've just heard that Citizen Kane finally flies in today to deal with his mess. I wonder if he's having lunch with Cameron...
Oh, that really would be sweet justice. Well they do say there's worse to come... Incidentally, why aren't the police crawling all over News International retrieving evidence before it's all destroyed? It seems that a year of emails have vanished already. Surely this is serious enough to warrant it.
Indeed - they'll need to be quick. NotW staff have said NI security personnel have started removing things from their offices, supposedly to prevent looting.