Sakho Suspended For Failing Doping Test.

[Lucaaas]

Well said.

Has everyone else blanked that second half from their brains????

Would sahko and the techno frogs have stopped moreno jumping over the ball and letting go them waltz in......

Would sahko stop the midfield imploding.. coutinho and lallana bottling it?

Would seriously shako be better than toure...

Would sahko have stopped Mingolet glueing himself to the line?

The answers are no.

Toure was excellent in both second leg semi and the final.

The ball went over his head on 93mins in villareal away game... That's it.. no other mistakes..

Come on guys...it's nobody's fault but our own.

We didn't lose a single European game with Sakho in the team. We lost 2 out of 3 with Toure in his place. Not only was Sakho individually better than Toure he was better suited to sitting next to Moreno as well as he is more comfortable defending out wide when Moreno ventured forward.

Sakho's performances away at Dortmund & Old Trafford were a big reason why we ended up in the final, to say he would've made no difference to the team and the result is total rubbish.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

We didn't lose a single European game with Sakho in the team. We lost 2 out of 3 with Toure in his place. Not only was Sakho individually better than Toure he was better suited to sitting next to Moreno as well as he is more comfortable defending out wide when Moreno ventured forward.

Sakho's performances away at Dortmund & Old Trafford were a big reason why we ended up in the final, to say he would've made no difference to the team and the result is total rubbish.

one we played for 0-0... one ball over the top with moreno AWOL and they socre... we then hammered them 3-0 at home

The fact is we only won one all season away and went away and 5 players bottled it. Coutinho, lallana, milner, firmino... mingolet.

Clyne played well. sturridge tried hard.

toures was his best... everything he had to give.....

The fact is in that final half at 1-0 up moreno thought we'd won it. was off partying in his head.. coutinho and moreno never got a challenge in.. moreno jumped over the ball and let a guy waltz in... then the entire team folded.

there is NOTHING in those circumstances that sahko could possibly effect... nothing.

Coutinho bottled it and he didn't help moreno much but moreno jump over the ball!

 

[jenners04]

Well said.

Has everyone else blanked that second half from their brains????

Would sahko and the techno frogs have stopped moreno jumping over the ball and letting go them waltz in......

Would sahko stop the midfield imploding.. coutinho and lallana bottling it?

Would seriously shako be better than toure...

Would sahko have stopped Mingolet glueing himself to the line?

The answers are no.

Toure was excellent in both second leg semi and the final.

The ball went over his head on 93mins in villareal away game... That's it.. no other mistakes..

Come on guys...it's nobody's fault but our own.

what about the fact he is more of a goal threat than toure? Erase that fact from your brain?

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

would Sakho have made much of an impact defensively? Probably not given Toure played well. I suppose Sakho would have led Moreno better.

However, the biggest impact he would have had is his ability on the ball. He would have played the ball into the midfield and at pace.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

Sky aaying all clear now.

Hmm not sure - UEFA released a statement saying they delayed the hearing until they've carried out their own investigation.

I think Sakho is cleared in the sense in that he's no longer banned until the verdict is heard ie he's not innocent until proven guilty as opposed to the other way around.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

We didn't lose a single European game with Sakho in the team. We lost 2 out of 3 with Toure in his place. Not only was Sakho individually better than Toure he was better suited to sitting next to Moreno as well as he is more comfortable defending out wide when Moreno ventured forward.

Sakho's performances away at Dortmund & Old Trafford were a big reason why we ended up in the final, to say he would've made no difference to the team and the result is total rubbish.

Sakho's performance at old Trafford is arguably one of the best performances you are likely to see from a centre back. Masterful.

 

[jenners04]

Hmm not sure - UEFA released a statement saying they delayed the hearing until they've carried out their own investigation.

I think Sakho is cleared in the sense in that he's no longer banned until the verdict is heard ie he's not innocent until proven guilty as opposed to the other way around.

So they didn't suspend him but club chose not to play him?

 

[RogerisontheHunt]

So they didn't suspend him but club chose not to play him?

He was given a temporary suspension, a 30 day suspension for them to collect further evidence. It ends tomorrow. Looks like Uefa don't want to take it any further.

Maybe he was spared any further ban because of the Euros, especially with France being the host nation.

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

So they didn't suspend him but club chose not to play him?

The club chose not to play him and the. UEFA gave him a 30 day suspension.

The club handled this well IMO.

 

[Lucaaas]

Sakho's performance at old Trafford is arguably one of the best performances you are likely to see from a centre back. Masterful.

He was an absolute colossus at the back that day. We really need him available if we are to do anything significant next season.

 

[jenners04]

The club chose not to play him and the. UEFA gave him a 30 day suspension.

The club handled this well IMO.

But on what grounds was the suspension when they was unsure themselves?

Can't suspend someone then find out he did nothing wrong surely esp when he missed an important match that could have made a dif to ffs

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Shame on all those people who wanted him sold...

Well I did always qualify things with IF proven guilty. Doesn't change the fact though that a professional athlete shouldn't put anything in their body without checking with the club doctor first. That said, if you're going to cheat with drugs it's hardly likely you're going to risk all on a fat burner. You may as well have a sugary drink for all the effect it would have (unless you accept the Tobes argument that it could be used as a masking agency, I don't know).

Thing is though, regardless of whether a substance SHOULD be on the list, if it IS on the list then you shouldn't be taking the ****ing thing - highly unprofessional. This is the same argument as that Sharapova thing with the heart/circulation medication isn't it?

As to the future; well after his performances in the EL I wanted to build a defence around him and make him our future captain. I think he's palpably shown he hasn't the brains for that.

 

[jenners04]

Shame on all those people who wanted him sold...

Well I did always qualify things with IF proven guilty. Doesn't change the fact though that a professional athlete shouldn't put anything in their body without checking with the club doctor first. That said, if you're going to cheat with drugs it's hardly likely you're going to risk all on a fat burner. You may as well have a sugary drink for all the effect it would have (unless you accept the Tobes argument that it could be used as a masking agency, I don't know).

Thing is though, regardless of whether a substance SHOULD be on the list, if it IS on the list then you shouldn't be taking the ****ing thing - highly unprofessional. This is the same argument as that Sharapova thing with the heart/circulation medication isn't it?

As to the future; well after his performances in the EL I wanted to build a defence around him and make him our future captain. I think he's palpably shown he hasn't the brains for that.

That's all true on sakho side donga, but doesn't explain why eufa suspend someone when they are unsure themselves of the facts involved and he missed an important match as a result

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

That's all true on sakho side donga, but doesn't explain why eufa suspend someone when they are unsure themselves of the facts involved and he missed an important match as a result

As I understand it (and the story is still moving) they suspended him - or Liverpool did- because traces of a banned substance were found in his sample. Whether the substance should at all be banned, and what the sanctions should be for using this substance, is an another issue. Had he been allowed to play whist being investigated there would have been - rightly - uproar. As said though, having taken fat burners myself in the past I just cannot imagine how they're 'performance enhancing', anymore than the super caffeine-laced coffee that Pele used to drink before training and playing a match (true - look it up). That is, of course, unless Tobes is right about them being masking agents.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

what about the fact he is more of a goal threat than toure? Erase that fact from your brain?

??

i'll admit i'm as big a goal treat as toure.

did you note how tall sevilla's team was and how many shako has score for us? 3 in total... ok 2 this year but i would rate his goal scoring threat as weak frankly.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

Uefa had the substance on their banned list so where totally within their rights to ban him, LFC banned him as a sign the club backs Uefa in their stance against cheating by performance enhancing drugs.
His lawyers have called into question WADA's inclusion of the substance on their list of banned drugs, Uefa are going to do an independent test to see whether the thing he took does enhance performance and they are asking WADA to give information about all the chemicals that go into the fat burner to see if it contains any banned substance at all.

Its still hanging in the balance imo, if found not guilty he and LFC got **** on from a great height from Uefa at a critical part of our season, more than likely compensation will be asked for by one or both parties but the player missed what could be(hope not if he's innocent)the chance of playing in a European final.
On the other hand if he does get found guilty Uefa's soft stance so far doesn't point to a lengthy ban but the club will punish him either way for(as donga said)not seeking the club doctors advice before taking the substance.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

As I understand it (and the story is still moving) they suspended him - or Liverpool did- because traces of a banned substance were found in his sample. Whether the substance should at all be banned, and what the sanctions should be for using this substance, is an another issue. Had he been allowed to play whist being investigated there would have been - rightly - uproar. As said though, having taken fat burners myself in the past I just cannot imagine how they're 'performance enhancing', anymore than the super caffeine-laced coffee that Pele used to drink before training and playing a match (true - look it up). That is, of course, unless Tobes is right about them being masking agents.

some fat burning agents have been proven to be masking agents.

In this case we have new info that this item was on uefas list but not on wadas??

In sort If something banned is detected and then theres an appeal that it should never have been on a list then I don't really see the beef and actually if procedures were followed it actually shows a fairly decent bit of justice done in the end where it was not just a we don't care you are banned attitude.

I don't get the hard done by stuff?

first off did LFc know he was doing something outside the medical staff? I don't think so as we chose to suspend prior to the formal suspension....

For me STILL despite the escape here via an appeal on if the substance is ok he owes us a big apology as he did it.... like... he did.. he went off and rook stuff and risked it all.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Uefa had the substance on their banned list so where totally within their rights to ban him, LFC banned him as a sign the club backs Uefa in their stance against cheating by performance enhancing drugs.
His lawyers have called into question WADA's inclusion of the substance on their list of banned drugs, Uefa are going to do an independent test to see whether the thing he took does enhance performance and they are asking WADA to give information about all the chemicals that go into the fat burner to see if it contains any banned substance at all.

Its still hanging in the balance imo, if found not guilty he and LFC got **** on from a great height from Uefa at a critical part of our season, more than likely compensation will be asked for by one or both parties but the player missed what could be(hope not if he's innocent)the chance of playing in a European final.
On the other hand if he does get found guilty Uefa's soft stance so far doesn't point to a lengthy ban but the club will punish him either way for(as donga said)not seeking the club doctors advice before taking the substance.

I think your first paragraph is fine but as i just said.. sahko chose to go take something outside the clubs system... If we want to say LFC got **** on fine but sahko did most of the pooping IMO.

I must remind everyone the UEFA banned list is published clearly and the man himself chose to ignore it.. This is no excuse.. oh it wasn't really bad... well sorry but you know what you could and could not take and you went and took something.. got detected...

like.... I dunno but i'd prefer to think we did our best and need to improve rather than paper over cracks

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

I think your first paragraph is fine but as i just said.. sahko chose to go take something outside the clubs system... If we want to say LFC got **** on fine but sahko did most of the pooping IMO.

I must remind everyone the UEFA banned list is published clearly and the man himself chose to ignore it.. This is no excuse.. oh it wasn't really bad... well sorry but you know what you could and could not take and you went and took something.. got detected...

like.... I dunno but i'd prefer to think we did our best and need to improve rather than paper over cracks

So you never read the part where I agreed with donga that he should have saw a club doctor before taking the supplement?.

So what IF it is proved by Uefa's independent study into the substance and/or admitted by WADA that there is no banned chemical/drug in what he took and it was wrongly on the list of banned substances?

I agree he is at fault and the club did right by banning him, don't know if others have been banned for digesting the same **** but you can expect a torrent of compo claims from them if its proved the stuff is clean.

 

[jenners04]

Cheers page your explanation covered everything

So uefa was right to suspend him as it was on their list, but now they are questioning whether it should have been?

Bit late for that uefa ffs. Get your **** together useless ****s