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Le Tissier's Laces said:
Hmmmm.....maybe not -

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When I asked Pochettino if #saintsfc were still negotiating with Wanyama he said I could work it out from what he said about club's values
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What did he say about the club's values?

Let's assume we're not still negotiating then, but he explicitly said the deal was not dead and that it could happen. So offer clearly still on the table.
 
1 viewpoint on "club values" - always looking to improve, sign good quality players who are young and hungry to succeed and help the club grow = deal still on

Other viewpoint - club doesn't want to get ****ed on agents demands/wages, doesn't like its transfer targets brought into the limelight and criticised in the media = deal off

Depends which way you want to interpret it
 
It'll take more than a throwaway line in an article about others to convince me that Cardiff's done chasing, though one would think -- if they had everyone else sewn up and the only sticking point was 1m to Celtic -- that they'd have moved this forward by now.
 
Another, different MailSport EXCLUSIVE saying that Cardiff have pulled out of the running to sign Wanyama.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...iff-pull-10m-deal-Celtics-Victor-Wanyama.html

EXCLUSIVE: Saints march on with £12m Wanyama deal as Cardiff pull the plug on bid for Celtic's Kenyan star
By STEPHEN MCGOWAN
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Cardiff City pulled the plug on their £10million move for Celtic’s Victor Wanyama and handed Southampton hope that their own deal for the Parkhead midfielder could be reignited.
Saints manager Mauricio Pochettino said a deal for Wanyama ‘could still happen’ after their £12m offer for the Kenyan international was accepted by Celtic but rejected by Wanyama and his agents.
Negotiations could now be resurrected after Cardiff, managed by former Parkhead defender Malky Mackay, had two offers for the powerful midfielder dismissed.

The first was a straight £10m bid, swiftly rejected by the SPL champions last week.
The second arrived on Wednesday, retaining the payment of £10m in instalments and adding on a 10 per cent sell-on clause.
Both deals would have smashed the £9.5m Scottish transfer record paid by Spartak Moscow for Aiden McGeady.

Cardiff were prepared to break their own record outlay on Wanyama and believed the sell-on clause would have secured another £1m for Celtic at a later date.
The newly-promoted Welsh club had also reached an informal agreement with Wanyama’s agents over their cut and the player’s wages and sought permission to enter formal discussions.
Valuing Wanyama closer to the £11.5m up-front bid by Southampton, however, Celtic brought discussions to an end by refusing to budge.

Last night, the 22-year-old was due to join team-mates in Germany for pre-season after an extended holiday.
Neil Lennon believed the £900,000 signing from Germinal Beerschot had already played his last game for the club — but Wanyama could now feature in this weekend’s clash with Romanians CFR Cluj unless Southampton resurrect their move quickly.
Wanyama and his representatives rejected the terms on offer and accused Celtic of trying to ‘railroad’ them into a move to the south coast — a charge subsequently denied by Celtic.

Despite a breakdown in relations between his club and agents Rob Moore and Ivan Modia, however, Pochettino has refused to give up hope of capturing Wanyama.
‘It could happen,’ he said. ‘We have certain positions that we want to reinforce. I’m confident our goals will be met.’
Also keen to secure Brazilian Leandro Damiao and Argentine Ever Banega, Pochettino added: ‘We manage a lot of information about very good players. One of them is Damiao, also Banega and also Wanyama.
‘The main thing is that we, as a club, are managing when these players are going to be signed and how we sign them.’
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Cardiff broke the rules if they had reached even an informal agreement with Wanyama and his agents without Celtic's permission (though I'm not naïve enough to believe it doesn't happen). This may be what MP's reference to Southampton acting within FIFA's rule refers to.
 
I wouldn't be surprised what goes on behind closed doors. From my experience of business totally unrelated to football they will find a way to tell you what terms they will accept.
 
It is interesting that Celtic seem determined to stick with our offer, considering that (according to the papers) there is little difference between the 2 offers. Our offer may be better than it appears (higher bid, money up front, sell on clause etc) or they are taking some kind of moral stance. I know someone will start talking about hard-headed business men etc, but business is conducted by human beings not a computer.
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
Cardiff broke the rules if they had reached even an informal agreement with Wanyama and his agents without Celtic's permission (though I'm not naïve enough to believe it doesn't happen). This may be what MP's reference to Southampton acting within FIFA's rule refers to.
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That, and Cardiff's financial planning..
 
We might be in a very strong position with money sitting in the bank. Someone offers you a payment plan lasting years and the other offers you all the money up front.

It could be a good reason why Celtic want to deal with us :) I was amazed by all the nice things they said about our club.
 
The money upfront offer is obviously a safer bet. I would think clubs would look at the pompey situation. Cardiff may well be signign big players on a installment plan based on PL survival. If they go straight down, hit money problems and go into admin like Pompey, Celtic are unlikely to see the rest of the payments. Its a long way down the line but it makes sense not to be a creditor to a newly promoted club with known debts.
 
There could be an element of principle or power play in it as well. Celtic have already accepted a bid from us and could be playing hardball over the fee to make a point about agents and players.
 
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