Beefy, if Arsenal is a sinking ship, I'd like time to climb back aboard from my lifeboat. The responsible management strategies that you are so in favour of at Carrow Road are precisely those on which Arsenal have been run for decades. They are the most stable, least exposed club in the Premier League. Ask supporters of clubs like Leeds, Forest, etc. whether they would swap their current status for a top six finish in the PL and no trophies for six years? Wengers not the problem, it's the minority of success-at-all-costs-measured-in-trophies fans who are the problem. Added to which, I think Wenger could have expected more loyalty from certain key players at certain times, not Fabregas who did show loyalty for several years, but Flamini, Adebayor, Toure, Nasri and Clichy in particular, and more from Arshavin to whom he has been incredibly supportive and loyal.