It wasn't a sending off but why are United too scared to play their natural game in Big matches. They still have an inferiority complex in Europe and tailor their game to the opposition. Why cede possession and park the bus
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Why didn't you last year? We tried to play our own game against Barca in 2011 and got hammered. We were playing tactically to win against technically superior oposition and it was working.
We were the better side imo. We had less of the ball but were more dangerous.
I don't think Utd parked the bus that much anyway? Before the sending off, in terms of attacks it was quite 50-50, and we looked quite dangerous. All this talk about being too scared to play is bullshit... the gameplan was adapted to cope with the opposition, nothing wrong with that.
When you have the advantage in the tie, it's very easy to sit back and concede possesion. Most teams do this, including yourselfs. Even Madrid were doing it once they went 2-1 up against 10 men. Rather than try and really humiliate us, they sat back and let us have the ball
Don't know why Keane is preferred as a pundit, great as a player, but his bad relationship with Fergie means, he has turned into the most blinded ABU, even makes Jamie Redknapp seem like a United fan. Aren't the pundits there to give a fair point of view, Dixon and Southgate were doing that, and Keane wants to make himself the pundit equivalent of Balotelli. Grow up kid, leave your private matters at home.
And about the match, it was assuring to see that United have the quality to match with the who's who of European football, unlike most ABUs had been vehemently suggesting.
And about the match, it was assuring to see that United have the quality to match with the who's who of European football, unlike most ABUs had been vehemently suggesting.
Mate I know it's a tough result but keep it cool.
I thought it was a yellow when I was watching, and obviously so did many others. However, if you're applying the strictest rules (something I don't really think should be done) its a red card, so the referee can't be criticised. The rules say it's a sending off. While I expect most, if not all premier league referees wouldn't have sent Nani off, in any other league that would have been a red card. Europe is a different playing field with referees. It was unlucky and nothing more. United didnt deserve the bad luck, but **** happens.
Im not a Man U fan mate just a football fan, I would be saying the same about any team, makes you think football is not what it use to be and I for one will be losing interest in the game if these stupid interpertations don't **** off.
I mean anything goes really as long as the ref deems it unsafe, football is dying on its feet and we as fans should not sit back and accept it is right. Any other fan would be exactly the same as the Man U fans if it happened to their team.
Europe is ruining the game the brits gave to them and it can only be for the worse.
When you have the advantage in the tie, it's very easy to sit back and concede possesion. Most teams do this, including yourselfs. Even Madrid were doing it once they went 2-1 up against 10 men. Rather than try and really humiliate us, they sat back and let us have the ball
Possession 64: 36 in Real's favour when 0-0
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...erral&utm_campaign=cnn-sports-bin&hpt=hp_bn15
Having suffered at the hands of Keane when he managed Ipswich, I never thought I'd say this, but the man talks sense.
There's nothing in the rules about intent, therefore when Nani went for the ball, studs up, chest height, he was endangering the safety of the other player. The rules were applied by the letter.
"I didn't see him" is as poor an excuse as "I wasn't looking". Nani was negligent and was punished. The only season there's such a furore is that it happened at OT where referees are often scared of applying the rules.
Ferguson's behaviour was embarrassing and as for Ferdinand; his behaviour (sarcastically clapping in the referee's face) he could easily have been given a ban.
Hard luck Man U. Learn to take it on the chin, like every other club in the world, and you won't be such an embarrassment.
There's nothing in the rules about intent, therefore when Nani went for the ball, studs up, chest height, he was endangering the safety of the other player. The rules were applied by the letter.
"I didn't see him" is as poor an excuse as "I wasn't looking". Nani was negligent and was punished. The only season there's such a furore is that it happened at OT where referees are often scared of applying the rules.
Ferguson's behaviour was embarrassing and as for Ferdinand; his behaviour (sarcastically clapping in the referee's face) he could easily have been given a ban.
Hard luck Man U. Learn to take it on the chin, like every other club in the world, and you won't be such an embarrassment.
And when it was 0-0, we had the advantage thanks to the away goal. Well done on proving Shergar correct
The rules say nothing about studs up or chest height. They clearly say that for it to be dangerous the player must have "far exceeded the necessary use of force". Not sure how Nani exceeded the necessary use of force, when 90% of the force in the collision came from Arbeloa charging in to try and win the ball.
Oh fair enough - to he honest I completely agree. I don't like the fact Nani was sent off at all. Rules are dampening the game it has to be said.
I agree with you to an extent there. I think we still need strict rules for tackling on the ground as lunges on the floor can be very dangerous. I remember Jonny Evans on Stuart Holden a couple of years back - it looked pretty innocuous at the time but Evans' studs went into Holden's knee which was bent under him and as a result we was out for 18 months.
But I think players need to be allowed to challenge for balls in the air and go for 50:50s with a reasonable degree of force or the game will just die on its feet. I don't think the rules are to blame here, it's the fact that refs seem far to willing to view any force in a challenge (or even no force in a challenge) as being excessive. And if there's no force in the challenge we might as well be watching basketball.
I don't think Keane is bitter, just goes out of his way not to be seen as biased, think he did a similar thing re the henry hand ball v his Ireland.
And it sure as hell didn't ruin the game, maybe for United as they lost in the end but that last 30 minutes was brilliant to watch. Even with Real in front, it was pretty end to end.
And the sending off was no less of a sending off as Torres' earlier in the season and I didn't see Fergie pissing his pants over that - In fact I believe he said the ref was right. It probably wasn't a red last night but the decisions can't always go in your favour.