Rooney Rule!!!

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Calnefoxile

Calnefoxile

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Has anyone seen this article??? http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11688_7164324,00.html

I don't understand what Scudamore is trying to achieve here, anyone from any background, whether they are White, Black, Yellow with Pinks spots, or whatever religion will get on the list.

If you have no experience then you won't get a look in, if your are experienced then you will, regardless of your ethnic background.

I have no beefs against anyone of any creed/colour/religion, but I'm getting fed up with this outlook of "We must include everyone from Ethnic Minorities". I agree with the sentiment, but stop making it a pre-condition for any official process, as I've said before, if you're good at the job then you'll get the job. End of story.

Regards

Neal.

P.S. Please don't turn this into a Racist thread, I'm trying to be sensible with this.
 
I completely agree that the best candidate should get the job regardless of ethnicity.

At the same time, I seem to recall Paul Ince saying it was tougher to get a job as a black manager. The statistics seem to support this but I would find it hard to believe that in this day and age discrimination still goes on - especially with the mass media attention on our countries football.

I agree with the sentiment, but stop making it a pre-condition for any official process, as I've said before, if you're good at the job then you'll get the job. End of story.
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I agree with this.
 
I wonder what the proportions of retired black players managing in the football league are compared to the number of retired white players is
 
I dont think clubs should be forced to interview black managers. That racism in its self. Chairman will appoint who they think the best man for the job is regardless of his nationality
 
The Yanks tried this years ago with their 'positive descrimination' policy - the wheels fell off....In real life you'll only get any job if you're good enough to do it!
 
tommylion said:
The Yanks tried this years ago with their 'positive descrimination' policy - the wheels fell off....In real life you'll only get any job if you're good enough to do it!
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Nope - the most successful coaches in the last few years in the NFL were black guys.

As for the good enough part - explain why we have the likes of Di Canio as manager?

They aren't saying that you have to hire black guys, just interview them - the main advantage of this rule would be that the clubs would be forced to consider British managers - aside from Gullit and Rikaard there aren't any other big names.
 
They might have an easier job if any black managers had actually been successful, Gullit was half decent when he started at Chelsea, but has been rubbish everywhere else and has been sacked by every single club he's managed. John Barnes was completely hopeless, Ince started off okay in the lower leagues, but was found out at a higher level and having returned to the lower leagues he couldn't regain the success he showed at the start. Chris Powell seems to be doing okay at Charlton, but it's League One and he's just getting going. Chris Hughton did a decent job at Newcastle and was unlucky to be binned, things haven't started so well at Birmingham, but again it's early days.

There must have been some successful black managers somewhere in the world, though I'm having trouble thinking of a single one?
 
Doesn't matter what colour you are you can mangage or you cannot.

That also goes for ex-players, just because you played the game doesn't mean you have the first clue on how to manage a team. They are totally different and the sooner the football league clubs get this the better, some people are cut out to play and some to manage, Chairmen should grow bigger b*ll*cks and pick up some that have studied the game and not just take on the next ex-player that retires?

I am sick off seeing the big boys club offering these positions out to ex-players who are clueless.
 
Agreed. I don't like the idea.

If a manager is suitable for the job, he;ll get the job regardless of the colour of their skin. I doubt chairmen and boards around the world are racist and against black managers otherwise they wouldn't sanction the signing of black players.

Managers should get jobs based on their managerial abilities not the colour of their skin. All people of all colours should be treated the same and not be given preferences either way. Paul Ince, John Barnes etc. failed because they were bad managers, not because of racist chairmen. Likewise, if Powell and Houghton succeed that's because they're good managers and nothing else.

It could even act in the opposite manor and degrade any manager's achievements as people would say they only got the job because of the Rooney Rule. Overall, bad idea that wouldn't help anybody involved except the LMA who get this image of racist-fighters who are in-fact fighting a problem that doesn't exist.
 
That bloke did allright for Harchester United before he started hitting the bottle and half his squad was lost in a plane crash in the English Channel...and his captain was shot by a sniper during a cup final at Wembley Stadium.
 
Ince is a black manager. He did a great job and got a job in the premier league. He did poor, and so was sacked. I truely dont think it is a problem and interviewing people purely because they are black is, as stated above, racist in itself. I really dont see it as a problem- the reason there isnt many black managers is simpley that not many have chose to. Chris Powell is black and didnt have a problem getting a job, and equally it didnt help him get it.
 
Also just dawned on me- if you HAVE to interview a black manager, as soon as a successful one does well he will always be wanted for interview at other clubs, and hence hinder their career. Clubs will be forced to interview black managers who they have no intention of having, not due to their colour, but simply due to having a better candidate on the list, and this would only unsettle the club that he is at. Due to this, if anything it would put you off appointing an 'ethnic minority' manager, due to knowing if he does well he will always be linked with other clubs.
 
Its also down to them as a person. They arent going to walk into a managers job

Take Chris Powell for example he was a coach here for nearly 2 years before he got the Charlton job. He was learning and now he is ready to be a manager

Nigel Pearson was an assistant at WBA and Newcastle and also worked with England before he got his real chance at Southampton then here

There isnt many black coaches out there who are prepared to learn at a club before getting a managers job
 
There is a disproportionate amount of black managers to black players in the UK. We have to ask why this is the case. Is it because they are not getting the opportunity or is it because black people are just not cut out for the position? Of course, its the former. They are not seen by business owners as credible management material. According to Sir Les, numerous black footballers choose other career options when retiring from playing as they say there is no point getting the badges as they will not be employed. It will take trail blazers like Powell and Ince to change this but the footballing authorities are attemting to alleviate this discrimination by following the NFL (which has actually been quite successful). Clubs dont have to employ anyone they dont want to, it's just openeing the door to a level playing field.
 
originallambrettaman said:
They might have an easier job if any black managers had actually been successful, Gullit was half decent when he started at Chelsea, but has been rubbish everywhere else and has been sacked by every single club he's managed. John Barnes was completely hopeless, Ince started off okay in the lower leagues, but was found out at a higher level and having returned to the lower leagues he couldn't regain the success he showed at the start. Chris Powell seems to be doing okay at Charlton, but it's League One and he's just getting going. Chris Hughton did a decent job at Newcastle and was unlucky to be binned, things haven't started so well at Birmingham, but again it's early days.

There must have been some successful black managers somewhere in the world, though I'm having trouble thinking of a single one?
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Posting reasonable and sensible arguments on another's clubs board?!

That's a bannable offence you know ;)


For the record;
-Powell has an incredibly good squad for League one. Just like Leicester did when we were there. I would expect them to be promoted this season.
-Hughton had a great squad at Newcastle, players like Nolan, Gutierrez, Carroll, Taylor (all of them), Williamson... They had a NPC dream team and they walked the league (I expect West Ham to do the same with theirs) However, his Brum squad isn't so good. Their best players have left and the team is lacking in confidence and ability. Losing Dann and Johnson has ripped the spine out of their brilliant defence but they were always going to after relegation. They replaced him with Davies who is class on his day but he lacks a professional temperament to re-ignite his premier league career.
 
I think some people have missed the point regarding this rule. It won't force clubs into hiring black managers, but just to give them an interview in the first place. The likes of Powell, Hughton, Rosenior, Alexander (RIP) have been fairly successful, certainly no less successful than a large percentage of white managers who seem to be hired and fired on an incredibly common basis. We don't live in the dark ages any more; only having two out of 92 managers who are black is pretty damn disgraceful and I doubt it would be accepted in any other profession. Anyone who seriously thinks that this is just coincedence, and that racist chairmen and owners don't exist are incredibly naive. Racism may now be frowned upon by the vast majority of the general public, but those individuals who in the 70's and 80's were totally against black players being in the game are still out there. I heard just the other day someone referring to black people as 'blackies'. I'd actually be more shocked if there was no racism in boardrooms then if there was, because I just still believe that racism is still active within our sport and society in general. People who still think football is an exclusively white man's game need to pick their knuckles up out of the soil and get with the times.
 
"I doubt chairmen and boards around the world are racist and against black managers otherwise they wouldn't sanction the signing of black players."

Or they simply do not want to work directly with black people?
 
I don't think this is about board room racism, other than maybe historically players thought I that they wouldn't get a job in management, so didn't take it up as a career and now it's become rather a self fulling prophecy. There should definitely be more black managers at league clubs, but maybe more effort should be put into getting more black players to take their coaching badges, so that club owners have more options to choose from. I suspect that being forced to interview at least one black candidate will be scoffed at by most chairmen and might even make them less likely to take on a black manager. There's some stubborn old duffers out there.
 
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