Rodgers safe, DoF in and some transfer talk

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Way I see it is FSG are happy for the club to hover around 4/5/6th to keep the perception of us being a top club. Should there be an outstanding season like the SAS one then that's just great and we'll milk that but should there be a 14th place finish - true mid-tablism - than I don't think that would fundamentally bother them either other than them not wanting it to happen two years in a row and for the club to go back to the baseline 4/5/6th in the season immediately following. Should the club finish so low then there would probably be a change of managerial personnel but as things stand just ticking over in and around Europe/CL... that's enough to keep any manager in the job with us now. They've said it themselves, they just want stability and a good brand for the club to promote their American and international business interests. Those kind of finishes with the occasional positive/negative exception will suit them just fine.

Is that their philosophy in America? Is it the Red Sox? That may be an indicator.

Btw reading some of the posts, they're not H&G so dont turn on them just bcos they didnt sack Rodgers :bandit:
 
Is that their philosophy in America? Is it the Red Sox? That may be an indicator.

Btw reading some of the posts, they're not H&G so dont turn on them just bcos they didnt sack Rodgers :bandit:

red sox are in their back garden and thier bread and butter and know know well that bostonians and working class ones won't take this ****.
 
prob see it the same way.

they are happy with revenue numbers, feel a cup somewhere would sell shirts and are all about breaking even and floating along unitl the economy picks up and someone pays them 6-700mil for the club based on its current reported worth.

Them throwing up a stand is not hard i nthe current tv money era IMO. they will pay tha toff on the clubs own resources at this point and we will float by.

FFS if you add suarez to sterling you get the new stand after all.

When they bought the club and came riding in like knights on white horses they looked like saviours after the mess the previous Hicks-Gillet era had left the club in. We were really in trouble back then, absolutely on the brink financially and sinking, so they could come in, talk about making all kinds of improvements, stability, ongoing growth, youth, investment in squad and stadium etc and we lapped it up and practically threw palm leaves down for them but we didn't see it for what it really meant.

The previous years of decrepitude, real financial precariousness, ****ing Hodgson guys, coupled with their well-prepared statements about their ambition and grand plans for the club made us dream and think anything would be possible.

FFS against Hicks-Gillet what they were saying made them look like outright saviours, benevolent deities come to dress the halls and chambers in exotic finery again and have the fans eating ambrosia and sipping nectar at half time instead of too hot or luke-warm tea and serviceable pastry products. And in fact I'm sure they believe in their own minds that several years of just stability is great for the club considering what the other options were just before they stepped up and bought the place.

Then along came the false dawn of the SAS season and we thought it was actually happening, we were going permanently back to the top, when really all along stability suits FSG down to the ground, and that isn't anything outstanding, it's just solid finishes in and around where we have been. Sure they'll talk up titles and winning but it's no biggy if in the end it doesn't happen. Just as long as the perception is there.

FSG are solid owners, I can't argue with that, I'm not wanting them out yet, they're miles, miles better than the hustlers, swindlers, con-men, rotten streaks of piss who rocked up before them, but they're not eager to bring true spectacle back on a long-term basis I think. They like the history and splendour of the club but they don't necessarily want the glamour of being at the sharp end of the Premier League and Champions League all the time, the ongoing stresses of the highest level of the game monetarily and in personal commitment. I think that would compromise and put a huge strain on their business strategy in all honesty.
 
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When they bought the club and came riding in like knights on white horses they looked like saviours after the mess the previous Hicks-Gillet era had left the club in. We were really in trouble back then, absolutely on the brink financially and sinking, so they could come in, talk about making all kinds of improvements, stability, ongoing growth, youth, investment in squad and stadium etc and we lapped it up and practically threw palm leaves down for them but we didn't see it for what it really meant. The previous years of decrepitude, real financial precariousness, ****ing Hodgson guys, coupled with their well-prepared statements about their ambition and grand plans for the club made us dream and think anything would be possible. FFS against Hicks-Gillet what they were saying made them look like outright saviours, benevolent deities come to dress the halls and chambers in exotic finery again and have the fans eating ambrosia and sipping nectar at half time instead of too hot or luke-warm tea and serviceable pastry products. And in fact I'm sure they believe in their own minds that several years of just stability is great for the club considering what the other options were just before they stepped up and bought the place. Then along came the false dawn of the SAS season and we thought it was actually happening, we were going permanently back to the top, when really all along stability suits FSG down to the ground, and that isn't anything outstanding, it's just solid finishes in and around where we have been. Sure they'll talk up titles and winning but it's no biggy if in the end it doesn't happen. Just as long as the perception is there. And FSG are solid owners, I can't argue with that, I'm not wanting them out yet, they're miles, miles better than the hustlers, swindlers, con-men, rotten streaks of piss who rocked up before them, but they're not eager to bring true spectacle back on a long-term basis I think. They like the history and splendour of the club but they don't necessarily want the glamour of being at the sharp end of the Premier League and Champions League all the time, the ongoing stresses of the highest level of the game monetarily and in personal commitment. I think that would compromise and put a huge strain on their business strategy in all honesty.

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When they bought the club and came riding in like knights on white horses they looked like saviours after the mess the previous Hicks-Gillet era had left the club in. We were really in trouble back then, absolutely on the brink financially and sinking, so they could come in, talk about making all kinds of improvements, stability, ongoing growth, youth, investment in squad and stadium etc and we lapped it up and practically threw palm leaves down for them but we didn't see it for what it really meant. The previous years of decrepitude, real financial precariousness, ****ing Hodgson guys, coupled with their well-prepared statements about their ambition and grand plans for the club made us dream and think anything would be possible. FFS against Hicks-Gillet what they were saying made them look like outright saviours, benevolent deities come to dress the halls and chambers in exotic finery again and have the fans eating ambrosia and sipping nectar at half time instead of too hot or luke-warm tea and serviceable pastry products. And in fact I'm sure they believe in their own minds that several years of just stability is great for the club considering what the other options were just before they stepped up and bought the place. Then along came the false dawn of the SAS season and we thought it was actually happening, we were going permanently back to the top, when really all along stability suits FSG down to the ground, and that isn't anything outstanding, it's just solid finishes in and around where we have been. Sure they'll talk up titles and winning but it's no biggy if in the end it doesn't happen. Just as long as the perception is there. And FSG are solid owners, I can't argue with that, I'm not wanting them out yet, they're miles, miles better than the hustlers, swindlers, con-men, rotten streaks of piss who rocked up before them, but they're not eager to bring true spectacle back on a long-term basis I think. They like the history and splendour of the club but they don't necessarily want the glamour of being at the sharp end of the Premier League and Champions League all the time, the ongoing stresses of the highest level of the game monetarily and in personal commitment. I think that would compromise and put a huge strain on their business strategy in all honesty.

I think they just saw a bargain and are now sitting waiting to either float it on the stock market which will easily make their cash back for a small portion of the club or sell it in one fell swoop to whoever watned to give them 600mil.

200mil was a ****ing steal if you consider that 50mil profit came out of suarez, sterling offers the same and the tv moeny coming in is huge.
 
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How much money have they given to Rodgers and KD to spend. The amount they've ploughed back into the club you cant expect to have done any more. Come on ppl <laugh>
 
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I think they just saw a bargain and are now sitting waiting to either float it on the stock market which will easily make their cash back for a small portion of the club or sell it in one fell swoop to whoever watned to give them 600mil.

200mil was a ****ing steal if you consider that 50mil profit came out of suarez, sterling offers the same and the tv moeny coming in is huge.

Don't disagree at all. Stability works in that scenario. Where we are currently we don't exactly gain any value other than through the business deals and sponsorships they are securing, and the value of the club doesn't really decrease any, only continues to decline on the footballing/achievement side of it. Business wise this suits them

But hey, who knows, may be proved wrong at the start of June when they dump 300mil plus on whoever is the manager by then and say go after Barca / Real / Bayern / PSG / Chelsea...
 
I think they just saw a bargain and are now sitting waiting to either float it on the stock market which will easily make their cash back for a small portion of the club or sell it in one fell swoop to whoever watned to give them 600mil.

200mil was a ****ing steal if you consider that 50mil profit came out of suarez, sterling offers the same and the tv moeny coming in is huge.

The reality is that they made £0 from the Suarez sale as they re-invested the entire fee plus more, same will go for Sterling.

On top of the £200m purchase price they've been standing annual losses (unitl last season) of £50m a year, so they're in for about £350m would be my guess.

Would they make a profit if they sold tomorrow? Questionable.

I've no idea what their long term strategy is, but I guessed from the off that it'd be an exit strategy.
 
How much money have they given to Rodgers and KD to spend. The amount they've ploughed back into the club you cant expect to have done any more. Come on ppl <laugh>

They are to hands on with the everyday running of a club in a sport they know jack **** about, good owners are seen(occasionally)and not heard.
 
Not sure what else FSG are expected to do - they have trimmed the wage bill, improved us commercially, signed some big deals, and backed the manager.

I think they need to be firmer and stick with the original structure of having a DoF and not deviate from that plan.
 
The reality is that they made £0 from the Suarez sale as they re-invested the entire fee plus more, same will go for Sterling.

On top of the £200m purchase price they've been standing annual losses (unitl last season) of £50m a year, so they're in for about £350m would be my guess.

Would they make a profit if they sold tomorrow? Questionable.

I've no idea what their long term strategy is, but I guessed from the off that it'd be an exit strategy.

Don't think you included the money they make from sponsors and partners.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/partners

Or the kit deal or the money we made from tv appearances last season and the money from finishing 2nd.

We're better for them than they are for us(so far), their philosophy of telling Rodgers to by young players and build a young team over time could be seen as a cheapskate option when we should be buying established players with experience but they tend to cost more and want salaries that FSG baulk at.

But fair play to them for using the Suarez money on recruitments, pity it was squandered away.
 
Don't think you included the money they make from sponsors and partners.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/partners

Or the kit deal or the money we made from tv appearances last season and the money from finishing 2nd.

We're better for them than they are for us(so far), their philosophy of telling Rodgers to by young players and build a young team over time could be seen as a cheapskate option when we should be buying established players with experience but they tend to cost more and want salaries that FSG baulk at.

But fair play to them for using the Suarez money on recruitments, pity it was squandered away.

The accounts include everything mate, and they were subsidising losses of circa £50m for 3 years fella.

They've invested right to the limits (and beyond imo as they bent the rules) as FFP would allow them to do. What more do you expect from them?

The fruits of that investment arrived with the CL place this season, and they threw another £117m at players to strengthen your overall squad, this season you've blown it, largely down to poor player investment last summer.

To blame them, when all they've done is invest from players to your stadium is beyond harsh imo.
 
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The accounts include everything mate, and they were subsidising losses of circa £50m for 3 years fella.

They've invested right to the limits (and beyond imo as they bent the rules) as FFP would allow them to do. What more do you expect from them?

The fruits of that investment arrived with the CL place this season, and they threw another £117m at players to strengthen your overall squad, this season you've blown it, largely down to poor player investment last summer.

To blame them, when all they've done is invest from players to your stadium is beyond harsh imo.

can you give me a good link to said accounts and point out where you have this 50mil a year being put in. there was a "one off" stadium loos once and accoridng to ayre we broke even last year. IF you can show be different in numbers i'd like to hear it. [HASHTAG]#openmind[/HASHTAG]