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Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Style, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. ArtisanWenger

    ArtisanWenger Active Member

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    You forgot here that he gets back into europe so league position is irrelevant here.

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  2. ArtisanWenger

    ArtisanWenger Active Member

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    It is indeed better to be out of europe altogether than being in the europa,i am sure Pochettino will make sure that happens in the final matchday if now why carry out what he did against monaco?

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  3. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The stadium hasn't been a genuine financial burden since 2010, when you paid off most of the debt by selling the Highbury flats. Any self restraint since then has been driven entirely by Wenger's unwillingness to spend and top players' unwillingness to come to Arsenal.

    Heck, we've had twice as much debt as you since 2010 and have still been able to buy the players we wanted. You guys have to stop lapping up Wenger's perennial excuses about money.

    That was my first thought. Along with duuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr!

    Ultimately if Mourinho can get us back into the CL then this season will count as a success, after Moyes and LVG's period of managed decline. I would consider it average if he matches LVG's last year, i.e. European qualification and a major trophy (not just the LC), and a failure with anything else.

    Seriously? You'd rather not be competing for a trophy than competing for it? Dang, Wenger really has ruined your club's ambition.
     
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  4. ArtisanWenger

    ArtisanWenger Active Member

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    Yeaah,thats just like your opinion,dude.


    Your chief fan just said the same thing.

    Why dont you go compete for the coca cola championship you are not competing for the league here anyways or would you rather not compete for a trophy when you can?

    Dang!Postfergie times have ruined your club's ambition.

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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    Neither are Arsenal pal.
     
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  6. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Ah, but Arsenal don't value trophies. Only league position and money in the bank. That's what success really is for Wenger, building a nice big retirement fund <ok>
     
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  7. ArtisanWenger

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    We won more than you and performed better ever since we started spending money from 2013..so duuuh

    We can only confirm that after and if we hqve our usual collapse,currently 3 points away is nothing.

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  8. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    If Utd were in your position they would push for the league as that is the mentality of the club as opposed to you lot looking at 4th and not spending too much.

    I need to go shower now because of you y'twat, I can't be on here defending Utd!!! **** of back to the Gooner board and go count the cash you get for 4th. :emoticon-0121-angry
     
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  9. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    And there's the problem. Any Utd fan would admit that the last three seasons have been far below the standard we expect, and have largely been a disaster.

    Yet your ambition is limited to having won one more trophy and had two more 4th placed finishes than a disastrous Utd team. Even Leicester have outdone you for genuine success over that period, and here you are crowing about it.

    How the mighty have fallen.
     
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  10. ArtisanWenger

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    It was in response to his compete for the europa league than not compete at all,it wasn't at all of you,a silly sarcastic answer to his silly query



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  11. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Que?

    When did Matth start supporting Arsenal?!?
     
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  12. ArtisanWenger

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    It was in response to you,son.

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  13. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    It seems your club's ambition has been somewhat lowered too.

    I can't see Real Barca or City calling top 4 a successful 16/17 season after a 200m spend
     
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  14. glazerfodder

    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    Moot point really - neither club would have ever found themselves in such a position where a 200m spend was required, particularly in the case of Barca - theirs is a constant rolling programme of investment and development
     
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  15. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    It's an easy answer given the choice you have given. Both trophies and we still get CL football.

    Tbh I'm pleased we won the FA Cup last season and IF it was a choice between that and top 4, I would still choose the FA Cup. BUT the real question is why couldn't we achieve both? In the 2nd year of the manager's tenure with the squad he had he ultimately failed.

    Apply the same principle to Mourinho. Why shouldnt Mourinho achieve both? The EL and EC and finish top 4? While technically that SHOULD be possible with the squad he has, if he managed to achieve that in his first season that would be an excellent achievement imo. So realistically going back to your question, if he achieved only the 2 trophies I'd still be happy.

    We won't though so it's all ****ing academic anyway <laugh>
     
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    glazerfodder Well-Known Member

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    It is people like Yo Yo Toure who bring those of his faith into disrepute. As a Muslim, quite understandably, he once refused the MoM bottle of champagne making a big play of saying it offended his faith - yet here he is being charged with drink driving. Hypocrite ...................
     
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  17. ArtisanWenger

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    Wow seriously? Well maybe he knew he would come in for a lot of criticism and avoided taking it on air i guess.

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  18. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Three seasons of failure will do that to a club.

    If City finished 7th, 4th and 5th over the next three seasons I think you'd find them spending a heck of a lot more than £150m to get back into the top four.
     
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  19. ArtisanWenger

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    Not here to start a fight but when Chelsea City and all the new upstarts spent they quickly forget cl qualification but within two years were challenging for the title..Chelsea after abrahimovic took over won it the very next season,real with galacticos part two got their swagger and were regular cl semi finalists,psg became a power house,city won the fa cup and in the third season were champions...There was quite a bit of ****ing up in managerial changes and the transfer window for you guys that resulted in these setbacks,even when the likes of malaga and monaco spent they immediately catapulted though they rolled it back since then..Spending 100m+ every season and winning an fa cup and ending is the top 4 only once is very very uncommon,yes the competition has increased but it mostly showed only this season but over the last 3 seasons had you just taken care of teams that you should have beat,you would have done far better.Especially last season you should have been 4th.

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  20. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You aren't really starting a fight by pointing out the obvious! I don't think you'll find a Utd fan around who would argue with the assertion that we have been uncommonly poor the last three seasons given the money spent. But that is the situation we are in, and what we have to work with.

    And don't forget how uncommonly good we were for the ten years before that. After Abramovich changed English football with his money, we spend around £35m a year for the next ten years and won five league titles and the CL, way ahead of City and Chelsea who were spending easily twice as much. When you consider Arsenal and Liverpool both spent around £30m a year over that period and won one title, one CL and two FA Cups between them then it's not hard to see how well we overachieved in the last ten years of SAF's reign.

    Ultimately a period of underachievement will often follow one of overachievement for a large organisation - people get set in their ways and it needs the right person to move them on from past successes. Moyes and LVG weren't the right people so we have gone backwards at a rapid rate. But as you note, it took Chelsea and City a good couple of years to forget about CL qualification after their money (City didn't quality for the CL for two years after they got all their cash), so if it takes Mourinho a couple of years to rebuild us after our past failures then that's a price we will have to pay.
     
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