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I don’t want him to stay if Spurs go down.

If he’s not good enough to save them then why would he be good enough to get promotion?

Also if Spurs are relegated then the financial side of things gets ugly and De Zerbi will have a small budget, I can’t see him being happy with that
I just don’t see De Zerbi wanting to be a championship manager. Never gonna happen, unless it’s for a few matches where he’s deliberately looking for the exit.
 
I just don’t see De Zerbi wanting to be a championship manager. Never gonna happen, unless it’s for a few matches where he’s deliberately looking for the exit.

He obviously thinks he can keep Spurs up and then build on things next season (like Man Utd) but I just don’t see that happening.

Would love to be wrong Spurs go and win 3 in a row but is that likely to happen?
 
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Palhinha loan option shouldn’t be taken up even if it’s half the price.

I know he was popular with fans at the beginning of the season but he’s not been good enough at all recently and has played enough games to be responsible for the relegation too.
He's been out injured and since returning has been getting hardly any game time, even off the bench. You cannot expect decent performances if all they get is 5 or 10 minutes here and there.
And considering him 'responsible for the relegation' is frankly ridiculous!
 
I certainly think you deserve to stay up and have enjoyed watching some of your games.
(And that's coming from someone who has had a visceral hatred of your club since 1970!! <laugh> )
From what I've seen your coach and players display all the qualities sadly lacking at Spurs. The only surprise for me is why you're even close to the zone!
It’s a very different leadership and type of player to the 60’s and 70’s (as for fans, less sure <laugh>)
 
He's been out injured and since returning has been getting hardly any game time, even off the bench. You cannot expect decent performances if all they get is 5 or 10 minutes here and there.
And considering him 'responsible for the relegation' is frankly ridiculous!

He’s part of the team that have been shocking for most of the season. Add in his age and poor ability on the ball and why would Spurs sign him?

Of course, he’s not solely responsible but he’s played enough to be culpable.
 
He's been out injured and since returning has been getting hardly any game time, even off the bench. You cannot expect decent performances if all they get is 5 or 10 minutes here and there.
And considering him 'responsible for the relegation' is frankly ridiculous!

He's definitely a better option than Gallagher but overall I haven't been sufficiently impressed and it is obvious why Bayern don't want him. Monstrous tackler and contributes goals but his passing is non existent and more of a concern is that his positional discipline and anticipation of play is as bad as Hojbjerg - another Bayern reject.
 
I think we’ll have enough to bounce back, I was trying to work out our likely team in the Championship and I think it’d look something like:

Kinsky
Spence, Danso, Phillips, Udogie*
Gray, Bergvall
Odobert, Maddison**, Moore
Lankshear

Udogie mainly because I’m not sure teams will take a punt after his injury issues, otherwise he’d be a cert to leave. Maddison’s season long injury and general injury history will also put teams off, plus he’ll be the dreaded 30 next season. I’d love to see Vuskovic in the side but I’m not sure one of Europe’s hottest prospects who’s excelling in Germany will fancy a season in the second tier of England so would figure another loan with the aim of hopefully returning upon promotion.

Having looked at your line up for next season made me think maybe relegation is the re set this club needs...infact I believe that is exactly what we need because to use a metaphor, these pig headed incompetent owners won't ever acknowledge that we need a new car until it crashes into a brick wall and is a right off...up until that point they will happily carry on replacing parts here and there and take it to the car wash to give it a shiny look.

Now that does not mean I want relegation but I am at peace with it because I whole heartedly believe that a major accident is required for something resembling a serious change in our dynamics.

I would enjoy watching a team similar to the one you predicted playing in the Championship. Young hungry and hopefully playing for the badge.

Danso/Maddison as captains

Would get rid of Spence, something about him stinks
 
Having looked at your line up for next season made me think maybe relegation is the re set this club needs...infact I believe that is exactly what we need because to use a metaphor, these pig headed incompetent owners won't ever acknowledge that we need a new car until it crashes into a brick wall and is a right off...up until that point they will happily carry on replacing parts here and there and take it to the car wash to give it a shiny look.

Now that does not mean I want relegation but I am at peace with it because I whole heartedly believe that a major accident is required for something resembling a serious change in our dynamics.

I would enjoy watching a team similar to the one you predicted playing in the Championship. Young hungry and hopefully playing for the badge.

Danso/Maddison as captains

Would get rid of Spence, something about him stinks
Yeah I obviously don’t wanna go down but I’ve been trying to find certain silver linings.

One being it should help us get rid of a bunch of flops. If we stay up the likes of Richarlison, Solanke, Simons, Gallagher etc would all likely stay, I just want them gone now and ASAP.

The other is hopefully multiple sackings at board level. Allowing this club to get relegated is a special kind of idiocy and incompetence.

Another is potentially blooding more of our academy, always feel like home grown players are willing to give extra. Lankshear, Moore, Donley etc could all become regular or even key players.

You’re right on Spence, only really put him in the side because I doubt he’ll have interest from Prem clubs.
 
Having looked at your line up for next season made me think maybe relegation is the re set this club needs...infact I believe that is exactly what we need because to use a metaphor, these pig headed incompetent owners won't ever acknowledge that we need a new car until it crashes into a brick wall and is a right off...up until that point they will happily carry on replacing parts here and there and take it to the car wash to give it a shiny look.

Now that does not mean I want relegation but I am at peace with it because I whole heartedly believe that a major accident is required for something resembling a serious change in our dynamics.

I would enjoy watching a team similar to the one you predicted playing in the Championship. Young hungry and hopefully playing for the badge.

Danso/Maddison as captains

Would get rid of Spence, something about him stinks

Would you trust our owners to navigate us out of the Championship though?

Ironically this is precisely where we need Levy at the helm. Many things he wasn't, but a financial genius he was. To grow our revenue (forget for a moment the fact that it is constantly misspent) to the size he did without us actually being a successful club was remarkable and something not acknowledged by anyone in the media or pundit couch.

The only other teams who have grown their revenue to that scale in recent years are those who have openly cheated to do it.

Without Levy's shiny bald business brain at the helm, I have zero trust anyone upstairs knows what to do.

We'll be ok financially for appx two years thanks to the cushion of parachute payments and player sales (most relegated teams don't really have the luxury of the latter as they are nowhere near as prominent on paper as us), but once that's done, we are in the desert without water, and unless our various creditors for the stadium suddenly become mentally unwell, it will basically become impossible to spend anything on the team without breaking our loan covenants.
 
Yeah I obviously don’t wanna go down but I’ve been trying to find certain silver linings.

One being it should help us get rid of a bunch of flops. If we stay up the likes of Richarlison, Solanke, Simons, Gallagher etc would all likely stay, I just want them gone now and ASAP.

The other is hopefully multiple sackings at board level. Allowing this club to get relegated is a special kind of idiocy and incompetence.

Another is potentially blooding more of our academy, always feel like home grown players are willing to give extra. Lankshear, Moore, Donley etc could all become regular or even key players.

You’re right on Spence, only really put him in the side because I doubt he’ll have interest from Prem clubs.
To be honest mate, even though your example line up removes the likes of Xavi, Muani and all the “I want out” brigade,
I don’t even think that many of those players you’ve listed in that line up would be with us either.

Someone will snap up Danso. He’s a great squad player for just about anyone in the PL.
Maddison has a certain level of pedigree, and despite the injury our owners will sell him if there’s a decent offer.
And Spence and Udogie will go to other premier league clubs.
To be honest, I don’t think we’ll even manage to keep Bergvall and Gray either now they’ve had a taste of PL football.

The championship team next season will be utterly unrecognisable in my opinion.
 
The championship team next season will be utterly unrecognisable in my opinion.

That wouldn’t be a bad thing imo.

I think a lot of the players are mentally scarred by the huge amount of defeats they’ve suffered over the last two seasons, think its 38 since beginning of last season which is far too many and only won 11 in the same period. It’s awful form and it’s like a disease that is hard to eradicate.
 
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That wouldn’t be a bad thing imo.

I think a lot of the players are mentally scarred by the huge amount of defeats they’ve suffered over the last two seasons, think its 38 since beginning of last season which is far too many and only won 11 in the same period. It’s awful form and it’s like a disease that is hard to eradicate.
I agree.

But it will be a nightmare to navigate, and a real challenge even for a football club with a strategic footballing plan. Can you imagine our lot trying to implement that much wholesale change? <laugh>
In the past we’ve fallen to pieces when we swapped out 5-6 first team players for an FA cup match to keep the squad fresh/rotated.
Imagine them trying to deal with a mass exodus, where the remaining playing staff are a mash up of youngsters, “old experienced championship players”, and some dead wood we couldn’t give away?
It’s genuinely a terrifying thought with how incompetent this club is.
 
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I agree.

But it will be a nightmare to navigate, and a real challenge even for a football club with a strategic footballing plan. Can you imagine our lot trying to implement that much wholesale change? <laugh>
In the past we’ve fallen to pieces when we swapped out 5-6 first team players for an FA cup match to keep the squad fresh/rotated.
Imagine them trying to deal with a mass exodus, where the remaining playing staff are a mash up of youngsters, “old experienced championship players”, and some dead wood we couldn’t give away?
It’s genuinely a terrifying thought with how incompetent this club is.

Yeah I’ve said a couple of times already I fear this summer if Spurs go down as it will require a significant amount of transfers in&out and the club haven’t shown any ability to do that.

Add in balancing the books because of loss of revenue etc and it’s a complete mess
 
To be honest mate, even though your example line up removes the likes of Xavi, Muani and all the “I want out” brigade,
I don’t even think that many of those players you’ve listed in that line up would be with us either.

Someone will snap up Danso. He’s a great squad player for just about anyone in the PL.
Maddison has a certain level of pedigree, and despite the injury our owners will sell him if there’s a decent offer.
And Spence and Udogie will go to other premier league clubs.
To be honest, I don’t think we’ll even manage to keep Bergvall and Gray either now they’ve had a taste of PL football.

The championship team next season will be utterly unrecognisable in my opinion.
You could be right mate.

Realistically I think the club has to keep one or two key players and with Maddison being injured for so long and reaching his peak years era I’m hoping we can keep him.

Danso is a weird one, been a great backup and could well draw interest but ultimately my view is that with him being the backup CB to a side that got relegated, interest might be low.

I wouldn’t lose much sleep if we lost Gray and Bergvall, good young players but - and it’s not their fault I have to stress - we signed them at a time we needed experience and the same still applies. Both may be great in 2-3 years but we didn’t/ don’t have those 2-3 years to wait.
 
You could be right mate.

Realistically I think the club has to keep one or two key players and with Maddison being injured for so long and reaching his peak years era I’m hoping we can keep him.

Danso is a weird one, been a great backup and could well draw interest but ultimately my view is that with him being the backup CB to a side that got relegated, interest might be low.

I wouldn’t lose much sleep if we lost Gray and Bergvall, good young players but - and it’s not their fault I have to stress - we signed them at a time we needed experience and the same still applies. Both may be great in 2-3 years but we didn’t/ don’t have those 2-3 years to wait.

I think Gray and Danso will stay. Although you never know until a bid comes in. They may well say they want to stay in the top flight.

Selling Gray for a loss would make no sense as he’s young and has championship experience. And I don’t think anyone is gonna bid enough to give Spurs a profit on him.
 
I think Gray and Danso will stay. Although you never know until a bid comes in. They may well say they want to stay in the top flight.

Selling Gray for a loss would make no sense as he’s young and has championship experience. And I don’t think anyone is gonna bid enough to give Spurs a profit on him.
Yeah you’re probably right on Gray, we overpaid massively as it is and won’t break even or make a profit any time soon.

Danso I’m more skeptical on albeit hope we can keep him. We’ll need an experienced head next season in that back line as I’d imagine the other CB will be one of Takai or Phillips with Vuskovic having another year in Germany. There is a possibility Dragusin will stay too, not ideal for the Prem but would almost certainly be leaps and bounds above most in the Championship, though with his agent constantly whoring him out, he mighty get his move to Real in the end…


… Real Oviedo that is.
 
That wouldn’t be a bad thing imo.

I think a lot of the players are mentally scarred by the huge amount of defeats they’ve suffered over the last two seasons, think its 38 since beginning of last season which is far too many and only won 11 in the same period. It’s awful form and it’s like a disease that is hard to eradicate.
KH put this one in your notebook....

I completely agree with you.