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That loss to us could be one of the most embarrassing results of your season. We are a dreadful, dreadful team.

I wouldn't go that far but Arteta really isn't the right coach for Arsenal. Much like Lampard at Chelsea and OGS at United there is no discernible style of play which makes the "rebuild", "project", "transition" (or whatever Sky Sports buzzword fans want to use) difficult to buy into.

I genuinely expected Palace to get something last night and expect Villa to do the same on Friday which sums up where Arsenal are at under Arteta. I think if Arteta fail to win on Friday then Arsenal should cut their losses after the international break and get someone else in who can realistically get a top 6 finish.
 
Arsenal equalised 4mins 50 seconds into 4mins injury time <whistle>

It is a minimum of 4 minutes - you should know that better than most - after all the phrase 'Fergie Time' was invented for your team. And there was a stoppage for a head injury in stoppage time so I would suggest that extra time was justified much as it pains me to offer a defence for the Goons.
 
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I wouldn't go that far but Arteta really isn't the right coach for Arsenal. Much like Lampard at Chelsea and OGS at United there is no discernible style of play which makes the "rebuild", "project", "transition" (or whatever Sky Sports buzzword fans want to use) difficult to buy into.

I genuinely expected Palace to get something last night and expect Villa to do the same on Friday which sums up where Arsenal are at under Arteta. I think if Arteta fail to win on Friday then Arsenal should cut their losses after the international break and get someone else in who can realistically get a top 6 finish.

Let me clarify: I don't think we have dreadful players - I actually think a semi-competent coach could get us into the top-six (which is probably our ceiling). But my issue is that even if Villa repeat what they did at The Emirates last season, the board still won't get rid.

I made this point on the Arsenal board but it seems like there is no depth Arteta could sink to for the club to part ways - unless we're in the relegation zone by Christmas. And even then, I'm not fully convinced they'd part ways.

He should have been sacked two times over. I just feel like they're going to stick to their guns with Arteta unless the atmosphere at games gets really toxic. If we keep going in this direction, it won't be long before we hear booing and jeering on a frequent basis.
 
Let me clarify: I don't think we have dreadful players - I actually think a semi-competent coach could get us into the top-six (which is probably our ceiling). But my issue is that even if Villa repeat what they did at The Emirates last season, the board still won't get rid.

I made this point on the Arsenal board but it seems like there is no depth Arteta could sink to for the club to part ways - unless we're in the relegation zone by Christmas. And even then, I'm not fully convinced they'd part ways.

He should have been sacked two times over. I just feel like they're going to stick to their guns with Arteta unless the atmosphere at games gets really toxic. If we keep going in this direction, it won't be long before we hear booing and jeering on a frequent basis.

I agree. If Arteta is going to survive he will have to win the home games because your run of away games for the next few months looks horrendous.
 
Actually the obvious question was why MacArthur wasn't sent off for a wild lunge on Saka.
Could easily have had 2 yellows before he should have seen red and yet got just 1 yellow. Even if Dean missed it surely at least the VAR should have suggested he look again at the monitor.

He definitely got the ball if you ask me…
 
It's ok, we learned that playing without a midfield is a bad idea from that ****e. <ok>

It wasn't ok...but as you say, it marked a turning point. Since then, we've had 2 games of consistent, sensible selections of the vast majority of our best players, in an effective set up that the players understand and suit. It seems like quite a long time since we've been able to say that.

The next few weeks will tell us whether we've actually turned a corner, or if we've just played 2 teams in poor form.