It has to be said that he didn't seem to "get" Bayern or German football either
Anyone willing to test if he "gets" Italian football? Allegri's had a poor start at Juve, after all...
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Anyone willing to test if he "gets" Italian football? Allegri's had a poor start at Juve, after all...
It's pretty obvious the fixtures and such have been designed to give them and Liverpool a headstart. Absolutely farcical refereeing involved in their matches, I still can't get over our game at Anfield.
And if Leicester's goals were disallowed against Brighton for offside despite no interference with play, then why was Lingard's goal not even reviewed when Ronaldo was in the same situation? Whole thing is a farce.
Blimey - this is a blast from the pastHaven't seen you post in ages, DL. You probably won't remember me, as I've had a couple of accounts and changed name from when you were last posting, but welcome back
Hope to see you on here more regularly.
Thanks mate, glad to be back. I've had to take a long sabbatical due to work and personal reasons but will definitely be on here more regularly. Very pleasing to see old faces still here and the community is still going strong.
His problem is he has no experience of lower league football or an understanding of English Football pyramid. He is unique to other ATG managers in that Barca (with Ajax influence) is all he knows.
Klopp, Mourinho, Conte, Poch, Rodgers, Tuchel and whoever else is considered a great manager nowadays all started at a lower league level as players/managers. Like them or not they have a genuine understanding of lower league football and don't just see it as an inconvenience or stepping stone as Pep does.
It also has to be said most of the names you listed had a background in coaching, for example Tuchel got started as Stuttgart's youth coach under Ralf Rangnick, Mourinho was an assistant to Bobby Robson, Rodgers was an assistant to Mourinho, Poch was a disciple of Marcelo Bielsa even when he was a player - on the other hand, Guardiola's managerial career had him retire from playing, take charge of Barca B for a season, then take the Barca job, meaning that unlike most managers he's never had a period of either learning what does or doesn't work in a less glamourous post or learning while working under an experienced manager
Playing under experienced managers is hardly the same as working under them as a coach
Roy Keane is the perfect example of this, playing for both Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson, but he couldn't manage to start a fight after nicking someone's chips while looking at their bird in a Croydon kebab shop on a Saturday night
Surely that comes down to the intelligence of the player?
If a player with genuine ambition to become a coach works under several different one's (or styles) as a player he will learn what works and doesn't in different circumstances and with different types of players?
Part of the problem seems to be that club owners believe ex-pros become good managers by osmosis based on who used to coach/manage them
It seems to be particularly obvious with ex-Man Utd players, with Keane, Mark Hughes, Ryan Giggs, Wayne Rooney and Phil Neville all getting jobs where they mainly demonstrate that, just because Alex Ferguson yelled at them at half time, that doesn't mean they learned how to adequately set up an offside trap, similar to how the previous generation of ex-pros had the likes of Kevin Keegan and Graeme Souness get jobs as if Bob Paisley decided that if they were 3-0 up at half time he had his players work on their coaching badges
As strange as it may sound i agree with everything you have said here
The point i was trying to make is that if a player has the intelligence to learn from his time on the pitch and from different types of managers they play under then the need to study under another to "learn the job" is not essential.
They have seen and been involved first hand in success and failures and seen dressing room reactions. In theory an ex-player should make an ideal coach if they pay attention to this which maybe gives some credence to Pep's career so far.
Don't personally like the man and yes, he has had the money others can only dream of but still, others have failed at the same clubs with the same money.
I'm not sure if intelligence comes into it, thoughAs strange as it may sound i agree with everything you have said here
The point i was trying to make is that if a player has the intelligence to learn from his time on the pitch and from different types of managers they play under then the need to study under another to "learn the job" is not essential.
They have seen and been involved first hand in success and failures and seen dressing room reactions. In theory an ex-player should make an ideal coach if they pay attention to this which maybe gives some credence to Pep's career so far.
Don't personally like the man and yes, he has had the money others can only dream of but still, others have failed at the same clubs with the same money.
Teddy Sheringham's the best example of this: plenty of Spurs fans assumed he'd step into management one day because he was both one of the most intelligent players of his generation but also had a grittiness to him (as defenders who effectively flung themselves into the underside of his studs at full speed regularly found out), and he'd played for some notable managers like Brian Clough, Terry Venables, Christian Gross and Alex Ferguson
Instead he didn't go into management until eight years after hanging up his boots, with 2/3 of a season at Stevenage and, eighteen months after being sacked by Stevenage, ten games in the Indian Super League, and after that he decided to stick to poker
On the other hand, several of George Graham's ex-teammates expressed surprise he got the Arsenal job as he was stereotyped as a strolling player - and were quite surprised that he was fire and brimstones in the dressing room, while able to erect a couple of 10ft concrete walls on the pitch in almost every single game
This is kind of what i'm getting at though, a great player with a good understanding of where he needs to be for his position or stroller who didn't put the effort in but one understood his position, the other understood the whole game.
The fire and brimstone bit i think depends on a persons understanding of the players emotions/fragility/drive they have in the dressing room and (again in theory) an ex-player should be able to pick up on that even though he's outside it.
United's fixtures in December/January/February are a farce. How is it even possible to have three consecutive months without facing a "big 6" opponent? It works out well for them because when they do play teams around them they won't be at a competitive disadvantage as those other teams will also be involved in Europe.
Understanding the game is only one part of being a successful manager.
Getting your players to understand what you want from them is another.
Having them believe in your vision is yet another part.
Avram Grant is supposed to be a very intelligent coach with an absolute ton of football knowledge.
He also has the charisma of a wet fart.
The best managers can get people to do what they'd never even consider for others.
Getting your players to understand what you want from them is another.
Having them believe in your vision is yet another part.
Avram Grant is supposed to be a very intelligent coach with an absolute ton of football knowledge.
He also has the charisma of a wet fart.
The best managers can get people to do what they'd never even consider for others.
This is was the exact problem AVB had. Back in 2006 AVB produced a detailed scouting report on Messi which is still pertinent to this day, his knowledge far exceeded that of Mourinho but he had no charisma and went to war with senior players everywhere he went.
He also had a mountain to climb, as he had no background in the game whatsoever.
It'd be interesting to see how he'd do at a club without massive egos and names in the dressing room.
He's quite a weird one, for me.
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A potential Rangers v Celtic final. They don't happen as often as you'd expect.
St Johnstone are looking to retain both domestic cups, though. Now that's odd.