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Pretty balanced but i think teams with their managers in the 2nd season will improve (this is a response to your thing, not Diegos half wum)

Conte is a bit of a one off. Scrap that add Ranieri.

Guardiola is an unknown entity. Guy only knows how to attack and had joined teams that were ready made and dominating. Whether he can get the defence right with another splurge is another matter.

Klopp i think you are being a little harsh on. Whilst it's partly his fault in terms of not strengthening his team/squad for whatever reason, he's not really spent much net or bought in that many players. Also even though they are battling for 4th, that's an improvement on last year. I agree with your assessment that they need a lot of new players in many positions (or a change in tactics).

Mourinho we will see if he will improve them. But united were dire last season and they've been creating a lot more this season even if they've not been scoring much and are playing out bore draws in the big games. One thing about him though, I think since porto, every 2nd season he's had at a club, he has improved them and won the league. I think it's a bit unfair to say because he played against them, he should know the players and the team. Not even Poch performed miracles on the Spurs team having played against them as the Soton boss.

Not sure about the comment about Mourinho knowing the league back to front means anything. He's always done things his own ways and i think he's suffering a bit of Wengeritis in that they are not evolving with the new tactics.

Anyway lets get this season over with first!

I don't really get the adulation of Conte. Don't get me wrong, he has a proven track record and is one of my favourite managers in the world for his passion, honesty and down to earth approach (the anti-Mourinho in a way). Confirming him as your manager in the summer made me hate you slightly less. That and Terry not playing as much. Get rid of Costa, Hazard and Fibreglass and it will be diluted even further. But I digress.

Look, he took over a team that won the league at a canter 2 seasons before that had underperformed massively last season. He added a couple of players to that formula (David Luiz wasn't his preferred option but knew the club and league very well, Kante was hardly rocket science - any manager in the league would've killed for his signature, and David Alonso tbh isn't that great. Then there's Michy who so far looks an even bigger waste of £30m than Sissoko.).

Maybe you guys have a perspective I am missing but in all honesty, taking over the squad he did and then spending massively in the summer (offset by Oscar's move in Jan to China, although your net spend this year is still over £50m) should lead to his team occupying top spot for most of the season.

I get the feeling that the admiration for Conte is largely fueled by the comparative failures taking place at the other major spenders. If anything, what Conte has done - in context - is normal. Nothing more than was to be reasonably expected.

For that matter, the true measure of his worth as a manager and tactician will surely be next season, when he will have to juggle CL football too?
 
I didn't see it but how did the red Ferrari headbutt Aguero. Isn't Ferrari 6ft plus and Aguero 5ft and a bit?
If Aguero headbutted him,wouldn't the red Ferrari have to be castrated?
 
It wasn't a headbutt as you'd imagine it. The big fella was expected to go nose to nose with the little'un and give it the old "Yeah! C'mon then!", like two boxers at a weigh in. Only the air's a bit thin up there and the big fella didn't think things through. He choose to bow his head when he should have got on his knees

The little'un knew what to do. He'd done it before
 
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I don't really get the adulation of Conte. Don't get me wrong, he has a proven track record and is one of my favourite managers in the world for his passion, honesty and down to earth approach (the anti-Mourinho in a way). Confirming him as your manager in the summer made me hate you slightly less. That and Terry not playing as much. Get rid of Costa, Hazard and Fibreglass and it will be diluted even further. But I digress.

Look, he took over a team that won the league at a canter 2 seasons before that had underperformed massively last season. He added a couple of players to that formula (David Luiz wasn't his preferred option but knew the club and league very well, Kante was hardly rocket science - any manager in the league would've killed for his signature, and David Alonso tbh isn't that great. Then there's Michy who so far looks an even bigger waste of £30m than Sissoko.).

Maybe you guys have a perspective I am missing but in all honesty, taking over the squad he did and then spending massively in the summer (offset by Oscar's move in Jan to China, although your net spend this year is still over £50m) should lead to his team occupying top spot for most of the season.

I get the feeling that the admiration for Conte is largely fueled by the comparative failures taking place at the other major spenders. If anything, what Conte has done - in context - is normal. Nothing more than was to be reasonably expected.

For that matter, the true measure of his worth as a manager and tactician will surely be next season, when he will have to juggle CL football too?

Just my own perspective, but i am a blue:

Winning the league itself is a massive achievement (if we do it, theres still time for us to blow it).

I think you underestimate how big the changes were:

1. Firstly, last seasons explosion, you can say players downed tools (they did at some point but not at the start i suspect). Then bearing in mind Mr safe hands hiddink tookover and his record didn't fair much better to one challenging the league (win 8, 11 draws, 3 losses), extrapolate hiddinks record out and thats 60 points in the season. This team was done

2. Our defence has totally been rebuilt. To be honest it's looked a bit flakey recently but only 2 of that back 5 is from that championship winning team. That's 50% of the defence changed where Terry and Ivanovic were stalwarts. As you said, this has changed by us getting Luiz who everyone thinks is shocking and Gary Cahill who is a solid but nothing special defender, a journeyman in moses and alonso who whilst technically sound and energetic, is probably the worse 1 on 1 defender i have seen.

3. Mastered a change to a 3-4-3 formation. It's helped that he gets full weeks to prepare the team but that's still a big move to change to this system and create a system for these players.

4. Navigated the disaster that is Diego Costa. Whether it was the media or not, Costa could have singlehandedly ruined our season whether that is by moving or downing tools (although it feels like he has downed tools recently!). We are still on track barring you guys continuing your miracle run and us faltering.

5. He's transformed some of our players who looked like flops. Especially the ones who join from foreign leagues, sometimes they need to adapt, sometimes they can't. He's completely changed Pedro, Moses, helped Matic back to form (sort of) and Courtois.

We've been fairly fortunate to have been fairly injury free but man for man i actually think you're team is probably even better than ours. Your defence and depth is better than ours IMO and your midfield is too. Where we are slightly better is the depth and arguably first 11 quality in the creative side but even that is up for debate. On this note, if Poch is doing a fantastic job (he is), so is Conte.

There are things i think he could improve. He likes to give up possession against the more technical sides in favour of a more solid structure. That is fine but i feel he is too negative in these matches and takes far too long to change it up even when we fall behind. I think it's actually pretty easy to nullify us if teams are brave enough see spurs and united at their homes.

What he has done and what he's always done is steamroller the inferior sides.

It will be interesting how he fairs next year as you have said, less games, more time to prepare, less fatigue and less injuries
 
While the press are happy to keep going on about our Wembley hoodoo, they somehow seem to overlook quite a few facts coming from this season...

1-2 vs Monaco: at the time that result looked like an utter disaster, especially considering how easily we swatted Monaco aside in the Europa League last season - but with their scoring three goals in every single one of their knockout games against Dortmund and City, does this result really look as bad now as it did at the time?

0-1 vs Leverkusen: while there's no denying that we were utterly shambolic in this match, as the team decided that night was the perfect night to remind the fans of that joyous period where Jacques Santini was our manager and passing the ball forwards was verboten and punishable by having a whistle blown at you in training every time you tried to do something positive with the ball, it's still worth pointing out this fell smack dab in the middle of the period where our form stuttered due to Kane's injury - a fact that's always overlooked

3-1 vs CSKA Moscow: otherwise known as The Narrative Smasher, as not only does this result mean we won a match at Wembley (which doesn't fit in with the whole talk of a Wembley hoodoo) but given we came from a goal down to lead by half time before comfortably seeing the game out it also boots the idea of having a mental block down the stairs

2-2 vs Gent: the worst thing to happen to Portuguese football since that evening where, after a bottle of Moscatel, Mr & Mrs Mourinho felt frisky and forgot about using birth control happened to be the referee for this match, and there's reasons why Benfica fans called a fatwa on him

2-4 vs Chelsea: Martin "Cyclops" Twatkinson was in charge of the match, and unsurprisingly this led to ninety minutes of one team getting yellow cards for standing on the wrong blade of grass while the other team were allowed to kick, stamp and elbow their opponents with impunity until it was far too late for a booking to mean anything (see also: Manchester United vs Chelsea back in October, or the Manc derby from last night)

In other words, our Wembley hoodoo mainly consists of getting ****ed over by incompetent refs, coming up against teams having their best season in over a decade, and the team's domestic form carrying over to European competition against opponents who were more than capable of exploiting it. Is that really a hoodoo, or is it something the press have made up and hope nobody points out the gaping holes in their logic?

I haven't looked but didn't they go back to just your general record to so was including the semis/finals that were at wembley? I'm hoping you do play there next season as your record at WHL has been formidable this season!
 
I haven't looked but didn't they go back to just your general record to so was including the semis/finals that were at wembley? I'm hoping you do play there next season as your record at WHL has been formidable this season!
Here's another place where the Narrative goes wrong, as all Spurs fans remember that time we played at Wembley in 2008...

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I haven't looked but didn't they go back to just your general record to so was including the semis/finals that were at wembley? I'm hoping you do play there next season as your record at WHL has been formidable this season!
It's just been confirmed that we will be.
It's part of the plan. Now our home form gets transferred to Wembley. <whistle>
 
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Neil Warnock not looking in the best of health when the camera shows him. I hope it's just a "hot flush" which us oldies get from time to time and nothing more serious.
 
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Nope, didn't forget just didn't know. What did they have to do with you winning at Wembley?
Just pointing out that key members of our current squad actually were with the club then, so your point didn't have one.

Also, are you sure it's wise of a Man Utd fan to dismiss another club's success by saying it doesn't matter as they now have a different manager and the majority of those players have left the club?
 
Just pointing out that key members of our current squad actually were with the club then, so your point didn't have one.

Also, are you sure it's wise of a Man Utd fan to dismiss another club's success by saying it doesn't matter as they now have a different manager and the majority of those players have left the club?
Of course it's wise and also true. Look at us and Liverpool, what our ex-players and managers have done means little to our ability now.