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I'm sure it's not even the right part of the country, but the thought of some white vest wearing hillbilly with a sawed off and a dozen colourfull umbrellas has tickled me! <laugh>

More like a kid with a name like Wojohowicz and a dad who worked in the mill, but funny all the same.

Pittsburgh is in fact the queen city of Appalachia, so you've got the right part of the country, but waves of Italian and Eastern European immigrants, and African Americans migrating from the south, on top of the original English and Scotch Irish Hillbillies have made it quite a twisted burgh indeed.

The fun thing was, we all went to school together. The African American, Jewish and Protestant kids banded together in my day because the Catholic working class white kids scared the **** out of all of us. Of course, it was more complex than that. I had a lot of Irish friends, who tended to have a running war with the eastern European kids. Oh, and Jewish girls always went out with Italian guys, and vice versa.
 
Look at the other Chelsea players, not one appeal, in fact 2 of them are more intent on getting to the ball that popped out.

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Honest mistake? obviously, but one so bad his position is in jeopardy. Quite right too as he's made other howlers in other games, I thought he was iffy when he reffed a game of ours.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...o-chelsea-in-draw-with-west-brom-8931618.html

Spot on but this is why I can't understand why Chelsea are "cheats", not one player (including Ramires) appealed for a penalty. What did we do wrong?
 
Spot on but this is why I can't understand why Chelsea are "cheats", not one player (including Ramires) appealed for a penalty. What did we do wrong?

Ramires clearly dived, DL. Feel free to try and explain why he's clearly going down before there was any contact, though:

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Nice foot drag.
 
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The rubbish they come out with "It will slow down the game" it won't slow the game down as often a ref would stop, tell the players to move away, walk over to his assistant, have a chat and then make a call, great, two clueless officials trying to reason what the decision would be!

If the ref could blow the whistle, talk to a ref via mic, who is sat in a room instantly watching a close up replay of the incident, he can make a correct call within seconds, there is no slowing down of the game!

I've mentioned that before and completely agree. There are already and often breaks for controversial incidents - even surrounding the ref takes a few seconds. IMHO the senior ref should be in the stands with a bank of monitors.... also allows somewhere for the experienced refs to go when they can't keep up with the game... they get however many seconds to review and reverse the decision of the ref on the field and if they can't decide in that amount of time the incident can't have been that obvious so the original decision stands. This idea it will slow down play is a red herring.
 
I've mentioned that before and completely agree. There are already and often breaks for controversial incidents - even surrounding the ref takes a few seconds. IMHO the senior ref should be in the stands with a bank of monitors.... also allows somewhere for the experienced refs to go when they can't keep up with the game... they get however many seconds to review and reverse the decision of the ref on the field and if they can't decide in that amount of time the incident can't have been that obvious so the original decision stands. This idea it will slow down play is a red herring.

I can't agree with anything that gives Graham Poll the possibility of a comeback
 
Former Man Utd coach and rather short-lived Anzhi Makhachkalalalalala manager Rene Meulensteen has joined Fulham as the inevitable successor to Martin Jol or Head Coach, as they're preferring to call it.
Not long left now for our old boss, I fear.
 
Former Man Utd coach and rather short-lived Anzhi Makhachkalalalalala manager Rene Meulensteen has joined Fulham as the inevitable successor to Martin Jol or Head Coach, as they're preferring to call it.
Not long left now for our old boss, I fear.

what the hell is it with Jol and his weird dismissals. At Spurs everyone knew before he did and, i think, we were seen lining up Ramos before the deed was done. Now Fulham have appointed his successor before booting him.
Poor Jol
 
what the hell is it with Jol and his weird dismissals. At Spurs everyone knew before he did and, i think, we were seen lining up Ramos before the deed was done. Now Fulham have appointed his successor before booting him.
Poor Jol

There was also him being approached to be our manager...then Santini getting the job, yet Jol was also on the bench in some weirdly-named role.
 
Former Man Utd coach and rather short-lived Anzhi Makhachkalalalalala manager Rene Meulensteen has joined Fulham as the inevitable successor to Martin Jol or Head Coach, as they're preferring to call it.
Not long left now for our old boss, I fear.

Or is the idea that Meulensteen will assist him? He's not a manager; he's always been a hands-on coach. SAF left most of the training to Rene, enabling him to concentrate on his other duties. Jol is 57(?); he may benefit from delegating that responsibility. Most observers would say Fulham have some decent players. Maybe they need coaching better. And I don't think it's a coincidence he's also Dutch. It looks to me like Jol has suggested they could work together.
 
Or is the idea that Meulensteen will assist him? He's not a manager; he's always been a hands-on coach. SAF left most of the training to Rene, enabling him to concentrate on his other duties. Jol is 57(?); he may benefit from delegating that responsibility. Most observers would say Fulham have some decent players. Maybe they need coaching better. And I don't think it's a coincidence he's also Dutch. It looks to me like Jol has suggested they could work together.

Jol has been struggling to embrace new ideas and ways to stop the poor results so hopefully this can help Jol as im not sure Rene is a manager, just like Brian kidd wasn't a manager.
 
I think that the idea is to bring in Meulensteen and then bring in someone who he's familiar with if it doesn't work well in a short space of time.
I'm sure that the new owner has his own ideas about who he'd like in the role, but Guus Hiddink worked with Fulham's new Head Coach at Anzhi and is currently out of work.
 
Spot on but this is why I can't understand why Chelsea are "cheats", not one player (including Ramires) appealed for a penalty. What did we do wrong?

I don't dislike most of Chelsea's players (I like watching them play, or at least did last year). I certainly don't dislike you or most of Chelsea's fans. I dislike Abramovich and the brand he's created.

Also, credit to Ramirez acting skills. That was one of the more natural looking dives I've seen.

I thought he was iffy when he reffed a game of ours.

Really? I thought he was flawless, and the Guardian was very impressed with him.

I was at the sort of school that, if it looked like a fight would break out, the entire playground would swarm towards it and start yelling at you if you didn't start swinging.

Sounds even tougher than my school. I'm absolutely convinced everyone benefits from going to a real place like that.
 
Really? I thought he was flawless, and the Guardian was very impressed with him.

I should be the one saying really!! Marriner was the ref who gave Chelseas non goal that ruined the FA Cup game, and on the last day of last season against Sunderland the Guardian had this to say...

"Again the Spurs bench was left raging after Carlos Cuellar dived in front of Adebayor&#8217;s and blocked the ball with a fully outstretched arm.

Andre Villas-Boas was beside himself on the touchline when Marriner, who was booed off at half time by the Spurs faithful, again waved play on."

I was being sarcastically kind when I said iffy, to put it in a good ol English term...he's ****in dire! <laugh>

Tbf, its only the last 12/18 months he's dropped off, a couple of years ago I thought he pretty reliable, but lately....meh!
 
I should be the one saying really!! Marriner was the ref who gave Chelseas non goal that ruined the FA Cup game, and on the last day of last season against Sunderland the Guardian had this to say...

"Again the Spurs bench was left raging after Carlos Cuellar dived in front of Adebayor&#8217;s and blocked the ball with a fully outstretched arm.

Andre Villas-Boas was beside himself on the touchline when Marriner, who was booed off at half time by the Spurs faithful, again waved play on."

I was being sarcastically kind when I said iffy, to put it in a good ol English term...he's ****in dire! <laugh>

Tbf, its only the last 12/18 months he's dropped off, a couple of years ago I thought he pretty reliable, but lately....meh!

I'm pretty sure it was twAtkinson that gave the Chelsea goal. Maybe he was in charge of the other game a year before but I think it was the lino that gave that one.

Definitiely a **** ref but he gave us a penalty earlier in the season didn't he? Great ref :D