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You did read the part about his teams being set up for knockout football, right? But as you're bringing it up...

Porto's Champions League 2003/4 opponents
Group Stage: Los Ladrones, Marseilles, Partizan Belgrade - four points against Marseilles were all that was needed as Los Ladrones stomped everyone and everyone stomped Partizan
Last 16: Man Utd in a transitional season where they finished a distant third
Quarter Finals: Lyon
Semi Finals: Deportivo la Coruna
Final: Monaco

In comparison, here's the teams Monaco faced that season
Group Stage: Deportivo, PSV, AEK Athens
Last 16: Lokomotiv Moscow
Quarter Finals: Los Ladrones
Semi Finals: Chelsea
Final: Porto

So whose tournament was more impressive, the team that beat Los Ladrones and Chelsea on the way to the final, or the team who beat Lyon and Deportivo?

Open a window and let the smoke dissipate, and you'll realise you're standing in a hall of mirrors.

No, I would have been better off actually knowing what I was talking about rather than blindly assuming that his achievements are on a similar level to Brendan Rodgers' at Celtic, because if most of the league aren't up to much and the main competition hasn't shown up winning the league is surprisingly straightforward.

I suppose sir Alex never won a legitimate prem .He's only ever had to face 1 rival during his wins.

Standard wasn't ever up to scratch.
 
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Chelsky throwing in the towel yet again.

Noooo! How dare you suggest that. Last year's champions don't even make the top four - that is most certainly not "bottling it". You can be sure however that if we'd not got CL football then we would certainly have been described as bottling it, despite virtually any pundit saying we'd finish in the top four anyway!
 
You did read the part about his teams being set up for knockout football, right? But as you're bringing it up...

Porto's Champions League 2003/4 opponents
Group Stage: Los Ladrones, Marseilles, Partizan Belgrade - four points against Marseilles were all that was needed as Los Ladrones stomped everyone and everyone stomped Partizan
Last 16: Man Utd in a transitional season where they finished a distant third
Quarter Finals: Lyon
Semi Finals: Deportivo la Coruna
Final: Monaco

In comparison, here's the teams Monaco faced that season
Group Stage: Deportivo, PSV, AEK Athens
Last 16: Lokomotiv Moscow
Quarter Finals: Los Ladrones
Semi Finals: Chelsea
Final: Porto

So whose tournament was more impressive, the team that beat Los Ladrones and Chelsea on the way to the final, or the team who beat Lyon and Deportivo?

Open a window and let the smoke dissipate, and you'll realise you're standing in a hall of mirrors.

No, I would have been better off actually knowing what I was talking about rather than blindly assuming that his achievements are on a similar level to Brendan Rodgers' at Celtic, because if most of the league aren't up to much and the main competition hasn't shown up winning the league is surprisingly straightforward.

Yes, and interestingly Pool have made the CL final without having played Real, Barca, PSG, Bayern or Juventus.
 
I suppose sir Alex never won a legitimate prem .He's only ever had to face 1 rival during his wins.

Standard wasn't ever up to scratch.
A reminder of the final table in 2007-8
1st Man Utd (87 pts)
2ns Chelsea (85pts)
3rd Arsenal (83pts)

When there's just four points between first and third, that looks a hell of a lot like the main title contenders were all firing on all cylinders that season - so anyone pretending otherwise is either missing the point, or reminding everyone of the worrying similarities between Steptonho fanboys and Trump supporters.
 
You can beat them.
if they're daft / arrogant enough to give us space yeah. Odds favour them if only because we are at bare bones in squad terms but with room and we click then anyone can find we have slammed 3 past them in 15 mins but if you put money on it the sensible money will be on RM .


also depends what instructions UEFA have given the ref.
 
2002/3 Primeira Liga: Sporting were absolute ****e that season, making the league 50% easier to win given the dreck in the rest of the league
2003/4 Primeira Liga: Sporting and Benfica both turned up, meaning a whole four games were important that season
2004/5 Premier league: Man Utd had a transitional season, thus removing 50% of the challenge - and the other 50% was Arsenal
2005/6 Premier League: Arsenal were ****e that season, thus removing 50% of the challenge
2008/9 Serie A: Juve were rebuilding post-Calciopoli while Milan's team was ageing rapidly
2009/10 Serie A: Juve were so bad they barely qualified for the Europa League while Milan were rebuilding, making it a cakewalk
2011/12 La Liga: Barca were the only threat so that's a whole two league games he needed to win
2014/15 Premier League: Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal all had stuttering seasons while Liverpool were barely qualified for the Europa League

Have you noticed the pattern there? His "success" is built on two things: leagues where there's barely any actual competition and the usual title challengers having off seasons - which by complete coincidence allows him to set his teams up like they're playing in a cu[p competition, usually aiming for a home win and away draw against those sides. Yet when the other title challengers do turn up, by complete coincidence he's not the one with the league trophy in his mitts at the end of the season.

As for this season's "success" let's put it into context, shall we?
* Spurs had a slow start to the season, coupled with a couple of derp periods in November and April
* Saltypool had a slow start to the season as their team hadn't gelled and their crap defence was exposed, coupled with resting players late in the season
* Chelsea have been an utter trainwreck all season
* Arsenal had graciously removed themselves from the equation

So this season there were just two games Steptonho needed to focus on as the other contenders were cancelling themselves out just like what happened in 2014/15, but his tactical quote-unquote masterplan failed to take advantage and he was left with nothing other than some tetchy press conferences and at least a dozen players he attempts to shift the blame onto for his own failures.
This actually goes a long way to explaining why Spurs and Liverpool have made top 4 the last couple of years, with United and Arsenal being in turmoil for the last 4 years and Chelsea falling apart every 2nd season that left spaces for you to capitalise on. These things don't usually last long though and I can see all 3 teams getting back to being decent.
 
This actually goes a long way to explaining why Spurs and Liverpool have made top 4 the last couple of years, with United and Arsenal being in turmoil for the last 4 years and Chelsea falling apart every 2nd season that left spaces for you to capitalise on. These things don't usually last long though and I can see all 3 teams getting back to being decent.
Except for at least a decade the top four was a closed shop of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool - and it tended to be Liverpool having a bad season that let other teams in (Leeds in 2000, Everton in 2005, Spurs in 2010)

That changed in the last eight years when first City made it four places for five teams and then Spurs made it four for six, at which point on paper it would appear that at least three of those teams would be challenging for the title most season - yet somehow that's not happened either due to slow starts catching those teams out at the business end of the season or poor form meaning they were never in with a chance, with Arsenal being the most obvious victim as they've gone two seasons in a row without Champions League football due to sitting on their laurels for too long.
 
This actually goes a long way to explaining why Spurs and Liverpool have made top 4 the last couple of years, with United and Arsenal being in turmoil for the last 4 years and Chelsea falling apart every 2nd season that left spaces for you to capitalise on. These things don't usually last long though and I can see all 3 teams getting back to being decent.

Correct. Apart from the fact that :

1. Citeh got their full lottery winnings in 2011.

2. The Goons in 2012 and 2013 escaped their fate
in 2017 by the skin of their teeth.
 
It's no goo
Except for at least a decade the top four was a closed shop of Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool - and it tended to be Liverpool having a bad season that let other teams in (Leeds in 2000, Everton in 2005, Spurs in 2010)

That changed in the last eight years when first City made it four places for five teams and then Spurs made it four for six, at which point on paper it would appear that at least three of those teams would be challenging for the title most season - yet somehow that's not happened either due to slow starts catching those teams out at the business end of the season or poor form meaning they were never in with a chance, with Arsenal being the most obvious victim as they've gone two seasons in a row without Champions League football due to sitting on their laurels for too long.
It's no good mate, you have convinced me. I thought Klopp and Poch had done well with Pool and you but as you pointed out with Jose, they have only done it because other teams have dropped off.
 
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It's no goo

It's no good mate, you have convinced me. I thought Klopp and Poch had done well with Pool and you but as you pointed out with Jose, they have only done it because other teams have dropped off.
Nice try, but now you're just being a little bit silly.

Here's a list of managers to finish ahead of Poch in the past three seasons
Claudio Ranieri (once)
Arsene Wenger (once)
Antonio Conte (once)
Pep Guardiola (once)
Alberto Steptonho (once)

Now here's a quick list of managers that Poch's finished ahead of
Jurgen Norbert Klopp (three times)
Arsene Wenger (twice)
Alberto Steptonho (once or twice, depending on how you view 2015/16)
Guus Hiddink (once)
Pep Guardiola (once)
Antonio Conte (once)
Manuel Pellegrini (once)

You'll notice that one is far more consistent than the other. Want to guess why that is, or are you going to let BobbyD have another try?
 
Nice try, but now you're just being a little bit silly.

Here's a list of managers to finish ahead of Poch in the past three seasons
Claudio Ranieri (once)
Arsene Wenger (once)
Antonio Conte (once)
Pep Guardiola (once)
Alberto Steptonho (once)

Now here's a quick list of managers that Poch's finished ahead of
Jurgen Norbert Klopp (three times)
Arsene Wenger (twice)
Alberto Steptonho (once or twice, depending on how you view 2015/16)
Guus Hiddink (once)
Pep Guardiola (once)
Antonio Conte (once)
Manuel Pellegrini (once)

You'll notice that one is far more consistent than the other. Want to guess why that is, or are you going to let BobbyD have another try?
Too late, I have seen the light. It's nothing to do with the manager just the other teams dropping off.
 
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