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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurlock, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. Diego

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    The free kick bit I fully understand, from then on it was just poor defending, even the off-side was debateable because at the time the kick was taken he was leaning just beyond your defenders with his right arm and shoulder. Off-side only counts with scoring parts of the body so the arm (and in most cases the shoulder) counts as hand ball so not a scoring part.
    Regardless of any of that, the defending was poor in that situation and the goal could have been avoided. Like I said, **** does happen and sometimes there is more than one person to blame.
     
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  2. Diego

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    I realise that, it was brought in so that attackers couldn't gain advantage by having a start on defenders. In this case the attacker actually had to stop and let the defenders run past him so he could meet the flight of the ball (if you look at the still of when the ball was kicked just his arm and shoulder were ahead of play so not much of an advantage when his feet had to catch up :emoticon-0100-smile).
    Not saying it's wrong to mention it and if it was against us I probably would but, that is not why you lost.
     
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  3. D.G.C.

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    Spurs were leading up to that surrender so let's hope it's bottomed out and we can get going again. Whenever I picture Poch I see the image of a winner.
     
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  4. cini65

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    Goal one, debatable and quite possibly. If offside had been given I'd have said 'well yeah ok'.

    Second goal, no chance of it being offside.
     
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    Yes, more than one person is to blame: Mike Dean for awarding a foul that he clearly made up, and his linesman for failing to understand the offside rule.

    Just so you know, on the off chance a ceiling collapses when you screw in a lightbulb, I'm saying it's your fault because you're a bad electrician - rather than hold the builder who made the ceiling structurally unsound in the first place responsible because, as you say, **** happens and it's never one person's fault.
     
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  6. Diego

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    Very good analogy, you should read it again <ok> :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    When a player is in an offside position, as Sanchez was, then there is a very good chance of a goal being offside. That's how the offside rule works.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  9. cini65

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    Erm. Eh?

    The ball is played BACK to Sanchez. And your Sanchez is several yards closer to your goal than our Sanchez is too.

    Or do you mean Lacazette and not Sanchez? In which case the only camera view available suggests that only Lacazette's arm is offside. Which means not offside.
     
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    He means Lacazette, whose head and upper body were also offside, which means he's offside.
     
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  11. Diego

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    I thought he was talking about Lacazette who was slightly off-side at the start of the move.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

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    Yes, I meant the Lacazette who was about quarter of a yard closer to our goal than every single one of our outfield players when he received the ball.
     
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    Really? The only camera shot I've seen is the skysports one which was used by their people to show only his arm was off. Therefore not offside. Can you show me the better image you've seen showing his upper body offside?
     
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    Skysports image and pundit analysis didn't think so
     
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  15. cini65

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    Source for the quarter yard stat?
     
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  16. PleaseNotPoll

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    You're talking about this image, aren't you?
    please log in to view this image
     
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    That's the one. Though not entirely clear if they've drawn that white line through his right foot or left shoulder.
     
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    His foot's level. The top of his body is ahead of his foot, isn't it?
     
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    See PNP's post above.

    As for your claim that analysis disagree...
    Marginal offside for both Arsenal goals: Replays show that both Shkodran Mustafi and Alexis Sanchez were a fraction offside for their goals -The Guardian
    Referee Mike Dean had come under scrutiny after it appeared that Spurs had cause for complaint for both goals - The Independent
    (B)oth goals, scored in the first half by Skhodran Mustafi and Alexis Sanchez, were marginally offside - The Torygraph
    (R)eplays showed not only had Spurs' Sanchez won the ball with his tackle, Mustafi was marginally offside. - The Express

    But if pundit analysis is so important to you, here's Liam Brady saying that not only were both goals offside, but there was no reason to award a free kick that led to the first goal either

     
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    Well
    Well if you think Sanchez was offside then you haven't even watched it yourself because that's lunacy.

    EDIT - realised it doesn't say that, my error.

    First goal - clearly not a foul. Quite probably offside. Goal should be disallowed.

    Second goal - not clear if offside. Image is not completely straight. White line is not immediately clear if going through right foot or left shoulder of Lacazette. Benefit of doubt to attacker in all offside decisions if not clear.
     
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