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[Lucaaas]

The original argument was that Bale has put a lot more effort into the Welsh national team than Giggs, and its true. There's a reason at the game the picture of Ryan Giggs was loudly booed by over half of the ground and Bale was given a hero's reception when his name was announced and when subbed off.

Also Bale has 50 caps at the age of 25. Giggs got 64 caps in his career despite having a career longer than most people.

 

[RogerisontheHunt]

The original argument was that Bale has put a lot more effort into the Welsh national team than Giggs, and its true. There's a reason at the game the picture of Ryan Giggs was loudly booed by over half of the ground and Bale was given a hero's reception when his name was announced and when subbed off.

Also Bale has 50 caps at the age of 25. Giggs got 64 caps in his career despite having a career longer than most people.

Do the Welsh really see him as one of their own? He was 6 when he moved to Salford, if it hadn't been for his parents I reckon he'd have played for England.
Plus we all know he was told to pull out of a lot of games and Giggs was happy to go along with that.

 

[Lucaaas]

Giggs is THE finest football of the premier League era, period. He is 'known' to Social Services in the NW, however, and the nightclub incident with Dani Behr, a-la-Collymore/Johnsson is far from being his only form. The United lawyers have dragged him out of the mire and bought off several beaten-up women (doubtless many of them targeting him in the first instance because of his reputation) , but this doesn't make him especially unusual as top footballers go - there's many, many more players of past and present who've done as bad, if not more.

None of this should affect his status as an absolutely fantastic footballer, but it doesn't exactly make him knighthood material. Sir ian Botham, for arguments sake, was a known adulterer and philanderer who treated women like dirt. He didn't, by any standard, go knocking them around and hospitalising several of them.

There have been loads of better premier league footballers than Giggs I think. Even in the Man Utd team there have been loads better than him. He's given Man Utd consistent quality but I'd argue Keane, Scholes, Cantona, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Ronaldo etc. were always more important than him while they were playing. I can't really think of a season where Giggs was the stand out player.

 

[Diego]

Do the Welsh really see him as one of their own? He was 6 when he moved to Salford, if it hadn't been for his parents I reckon he'd have played for England.
Plus we all know he was told to pull out of a lot of games and Giggs was happy to go along with that.

He was definitely held back from friendly games and I suspect competitive games once a chance of qualification had gone.

 

[Lucaaas]

Do the Welsh really see him as one of their own? He was 6 when he moved to Salford, if it hadn't been for his parents I reckon he'd have played for England.
Plus we all know he was told to pull out of a lot of games and Giggs was happy to go along with that.

No, but not because of anything to do with him living in England from an early age. Just because of the fact he never bothered turning up for Wales (I think 1 away friendly in his whole Wales career and that was in London against Brazil) & his performances not living up to his reputation. It never felt like he wanted to be there unlike Bale who turns up to watch the training & games even when he's injured and generally looking delighted to be representing his country.

 

[Lucaaas]

He was definitely held back from friendly games and I suspect competitive games once a chance of qualification had gone.

Did you know he only played his first friendly in the year 2000. 9 years after his first cap. I'm sure even you can acknowledge how ****ing ridiculous that is and understand why he isn't very popular in Wales. And that's without mentioning the fact he's a huge ****.

 

[Diego]

Did you know he only played his first friendly in the year 2000. 9 years after his first cap. I'm sure even you can acknowledge how ****ing ridiculous that is and understand why he isn't very popular in Wales. And that's without mentioning the fact he's a huge ****.

That`s why I mentioned it, I thought it was shocking at the time and have not changed my mind since.

 

[Lucaaas]

That`s why I mentioned it, I thought it was shocking at the time and have not changed my mind since.

Oh well, small nations like Wales can't really do anything to stop that. But got to say in contrast to Alex Ferguson & Giggs' behaviour, Real Madrid & Ancelotti have been fantastic toward Wales with Bale. I don't know how much of that is down to Bale having more enthusiasm towards playing for Wales or if Ferguson could bully/persuade/manipulate Giggs into not going. Hard to say but anyone in Wales you ask about Giggs there's not many positive words about him, which is a shame considering he should have gone down as a Welsh legend and one of our greatest ever players.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

I assume you'll be applying your moral code to the likes of Rodgers who dropped his big unit of a Mrs for a club employee or Ian Rush who weighed in his Mrs of 26 years after a 3 year affair with a bird nearly half his age?

Or does your moral compass only kick in when the infidelity happens to involve a United player?

I like watching Liverpool Tobes, it has nothing to do with ethics. We were talking about Giggs but lets be honest there are many footballers without a shred of dignity or honour. I would apply the same to all. I would definitely apply the same morals to Rush and Rodgers should the subject come up, which it just has.

Put it this way, on a personal level I never liked Steven Gerrard and a few other Liverpool players.

I've said this many a time, football is not that important to me, so someone being good at kicking a ball around doesn't earn them respect in my book, it's why I shudder at all the praise heaped on George Best for example, a horrible selfish man who ruined more than his own life.

You get what I am talking about right? That there is no separating the man and the footballer in order to allow the heaping praise onto the footballer. If you are a **** you're a ****, being good at Chess for example doesn't make you less of a ****

 

[johnsonsbaby]

On a liverpool board I'm sure the "comparison" will be an honest one lol. Anyway I doubt Giggs will be worrying too much about it as he polishes all those winner's medals.

I look forward to the Brunt vs Best comparisons on here after NI's next international when you lot feel the urge to discuss it

Not like you to throw the medals argument in trebs.

The comparison is an honest one, relevant and apt - whether it's on our board or anyone else's. One thing it most definitely isn't is 'odd' which is what was being put forward.

 

[Stan]

Not like you to throw the medals argument in trebs.

The comparison is an honest one, relevant and apt - whether it's on our board or anyone else's. One thing it most definitely isn't is 'odd' which is what was being put forward.

The comparison isn't odd, it's perfectly natural. The way it came about is odd.

An English Liverpool fan watches / hears that Wales have beaten Belgium. His immediate reaction is to go off on one about Ryan Giggs not giving his all for Wales. I agree that Giggs dodged friendly internationals throughout his career and don't think that was the right thing to do but him being permanently etched into the forefront of that poster's mind is odd.

By the way, I don't know whether the wife beating allegations are true but I suspect the owners of this forum would probably prefer that they weren't posted as fact without any proof!

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

Not like you to throw the medals argument in trebs.

The comparison is an honest one, relevant and apt - whether it's on our board or anyone else's. One thing it most definitely isn't is 'odd' which is what was being put forward.

Yeah jb, I mean it's not like I never explained why I posted about the comparison between the two, if its ok for the bbc to make an article on the same day about the subject I can't see why the visitor to our board took offence and was so angered that I had the temerity to do likewise.

 

[Stan]

Yeah jb, I mean it's not like I never explained why I posted about the comparison between the two, if its ok for the bbc to make an article on the same day about the subject I can't see why the visitor to our board took offence and was so angered that I had the temerity to do likewise.

Doesn't matter what BBC Salford publishes, you end up outraged one way or another!

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

Doesn't matter what BBC Salford publishes, you end up outraged one way or another!

Oh the sheer irony of that comment.....

You're still bitching about my post days after i posted it, put it to bed Shteve and move on.

 

[Stan]

Oh the sheer irony of that comment.....

You're still bitching about my post days after i posted it, put it to bed Shteve and move on.

I'm not bitching. I find your Giggs obsession odd though. And more than a little unhealthy.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

I'm not bitching. I find your Giggs obsession odd though. And more than a little unhealthy.

Obsession?

I made one post about him in footballing terms to which you were very upset and your logic tells you I'm obsessed.

Keep trying Shteve and maybe one day you'll earn your wumming badge.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

The comparison isn't odd, it's perfectly natural. The way it came about is odd.

An English Liverpool fan watches / hears that Wales have beaten Belgium. His immediate reaction is to go off on one about Ryan Giggs not giving his all for Wales. I agree that Giggs dodged friendly internationals throughout his career and don't think that was the right thing to do but him being permanently etched into the forefront of that poster's mind is odd.

By the way, I don't know whether the wife beating allegations are true but I suspect the owners of this forum would probably prefer that they weren't posted as fact without any proof!

Tell you what's really odd ..... that you think this comment is 'going off on one' ...........

''Giggs couldn't be arsed during his playing days for Wales, just goes to show what he could have inspired the Welsh team of his day to achieve.
Well done Wales and Bale in particular''

You need to get some perspective

 

[Stan]

Obsession?

I made one post about him in footballing terms to which you were very upset and your logic tells you I'm obsessed.

Keep trying Shteve and maybe one day you'll earn your wumming badge.

I wasn't upset, I found it odd that Ryan Giggs haunts you so much. It's an odd obsession for you to have.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I'm not bitching. I find your Giggs obsession odd though. And more than a little unhealthy.

I'd say the Giggs obsession is definitely the other way round

Unless you think one mention of a name equates to obsession in which case ....... seek help.

 

[Stan]

Tell you what's really odd ..... that you think this comment is 'going off on one' ...........

''Giggs couldn't be arsed during his playing days for Wales, just goes to show what he could have inspired the Welsh team of his day to achieve.
Well done Wales and Bale in particular''

You need to get some perspective

"Prattling off on one" may have been a more appropriate term to use. Prattling.