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No Kane No Gain

No Kane No Gain

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I'm sorry but two articles wont make me optimistic. I have yet to see that AVB understands the English game. He has a lot to prove. Reading are a mediocre side and we should expect to go there and win if we have any pretensions at all of a decent season this year.

The club voluntarily dispensed with Redknapp so cannot start bleating about changes to management and players - who ever thought Modric would still be with us this season? N0 - enough talk and excuses. Let's see points make AVB's case.
 
I think the Telegraph article is pretty much spot on. Losing Modric & VDV permanently, and Parker & Kaboul temporarily, has completely unsettled the side. I would also agree that assimilating new players takes time. Whether he is the right man for the job as our manager, only time will tell. But, at least if the player talk highly of him, and enjoy playing for him, that's hopefully a good start.
I was certainly no fan of his appointment. However, he's here now, so let's give the guy a chance.
 
Spurs61 said:
I'm sorry but two articles wont make me optimistic. I have yet to see that AVB understands the English game. He has a lot to prove. Reading are a mediocre side and we should expect to go there and win if we have any pretensions at all of a decent season this year.

The club voluntarily dispensed with Redknapp so cannot start bleating about changes to management and players - who ever thought Modric would still be with us this season? N0 - enough talk and excuses. Let's see points make AVB's case.
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I'm not asking you to agree with it all, just to accept that when a player is saying that AVB's been excellent and it's just a matter of time before all the work starts to show, he just might be in a better position to comment than you or I. Yeesh, do people enjoy being negative and storing up the "I told you so's"? They won't make you feel any better if you're right...

The point the Telegraph article was making is that AVB was given a difficult situation at the start of this season. Nothing to do with whether the board should've sacked 'Arry, nothing to do with whether AVB's the right man for the job, nothing to do with whether Modric leaving was expected.


NSIS has got it spot on, just give the guy a chance. Levy will regardless of your thoughts so you might as well join him in the AVB house rather than standing outside kicking gravel around in the driveway <ok>
 
Sorry about the tangent here but I couldn't help the story in the mail link about the bloke with the tattoos, he's got one eye tattooed black!! <yikes>. Now i've got a good pain threshold but I'm finding that a real cringe!
 
I think it is worth noting that Wilian and Moutinho were probably AVB's first choice replacements for VDV and Modric. Neither deal happened.

I won't start crying doom, or jumping for joy, until we are ten games in to the season, and I have a better idea of how the new ideas are supposed to work.

it really is early days for AVB. The upside is that Levy has to back AVB to the hilt come January if something extra is needed.

When Parker comes back in, it'll make more sense. Just like last season.

If Parker and Dembele pair in the middle and Adebayor and Dempsey pair up top. We will be very dangerous once again.
 
Yid Vicious said:
I'm not asking you to agree with it all, just to accept that when a player is saying that AVB's been excellent and it's just a matter of time before all the work starts to show, he just might be in a better position to comment than you or I. Yeesh, do people enjoy being negative and storing up the "I told you so's"? They won't make you feel any better if you're right...

The point the Telegraph article was making is that AVB was given a difficult situation at the start of this season. Nothing to do with whether the board should've sacked 'Arry, nothing to do with whether AVB's the right man for the job, nothing to do with whether Modric leaving was expected.


NSIS has got it spot on, just give the guy a chance. Levy will regardless of your thoughts so you might as well join him in the AVB house rather than standing outside kicking gravel around in the driveway <ok>
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This is a large world and I am sure that there is room for a variety of opinions. Mine are surely as valid as anyone's There was a recent thread here asking why more people do not post and one reason is that when you do someone has a bit of a go at you for being negative. Do you really want a board where everyone agrees with each other and only say nice and positive things? I don't I want to know what my fellow Spurs fans think. If nobody posted who did not know as much as the players it would be a pretty thin board.

Since you want to have a bit of a go let me defend myself - it actually gives me no pleasure at all to be negative and if we win today by even a single goal I will be jumping up and down with pleasure. I am pleased that a couple of newspapers and apparently a player or two have said some optimistic things but my point was simply that talk is cheap - actions and results are what count. The Board presumably knew what they were doing - they and everyone else knew that a new manager would have some comings and goings and the replacement of Modric should have been well thought out in advance of even Harry going - that is called "planning" rather than reacting to events. We are not alone in having a significant changeover of players and we just have to deal with it and not moan about it - I am not calling for AVB's head by the way - just saying he has a job to do and I would like to see him doing it well
 
I think those of us with real reservation are unfairly put down. Feeling that way does not diminish the feelings of support on matchday or any other time, and suggestions otherwise are way off, but as Spur61 says our opinion is no less valid. The club has put itself in this position, nobody else, and all this bollocks of transition, it wouldn't be a transition on the scale it currently is so soon, but for ourselves. That said, its done, and those who made it so had better start delivering, as other clubs have in a similar position while maintaining results, nobody is going to wait for us!...the mob down the road seem to be handling it!
 
In fairness I get why Spurs fans are giving AVB a chance, after all it's the least he's entitled to but the opinions of the Spurs fans who don't rate him are just as valid. A negative opinion on AVB doesn't necessarily make it unreasonable
 
notsosmartspur said:
I think those of us with real reservation are unfairly put down. Feeling that way does not diminish the feelings of support on matchday or any other time, and suggestions otherwise are way off, but as Spur61 says our opinion is no less valid. The club has put itself in this position, nobody else, and all this bollocks of transition, it wouldn't be a transition on the scale it currently is so soon, but for ourselves. That said, its done, and those who made it so had better start delivering, as other clubs have in a similar position while maintaining results, nobody is going to wait for us!...the mob down the road seem to be handling it!
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I wish I had put it so eloquently
 
Spurs61 said:
This is a large world and I am sure that there is room for a variety of opinions. Mine are surely as valid as anyone's There was a recent thread here asking why more people do not post and one reason is that when you do someone has a bit of a go at you for being negative. Do you really want a board where everyone agrees with each other and only say nice and positive things? I don't I want to know what my fellow Spurs fans think. If nobody posted who did not know as much as the players it would be a pretty thin board.

Since you want to have a bit of a go let me defend myself - it actually gives me no pleasure at all to be negative and if we win today by even a single goal I will be jumping up and down with pleasure. I am pleased that a couple of newspapers and apparently a player or two have said some optimistic things but my point was simply that talk is cheap - actions and results are what count. The Board presumably knew what they were doing - they and everyone else knew that a new manager would have some comings and goings and the replacement of Modric should have been well thought out in advance of even Harry going - that is called "planning" rather than reacting to events. We are not alone in having a significant changeover of players and we just have to deal with it and not moan about it - I am not calling for AVB's head by the way - just saying he has a job to do and I would like to see him doing it well
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I wasn't trying to belittle what you said, my only intention was to disagree with you on a couple of points and clarify what the articles were about. Apologies if I came across as short, it wasn't my intention. Looking back the sentence about "I told you so's" I was quick to jump on the negativity. I know I quoted you and was replying to you but it was more a reflection on the general negativity that seems to come up on every thread/article/blog about AVB these days.

notsosmartspur said:
I think those of us with real reservation are unfairly put down. Feeling that way does not diminish the feelings of support on matchday or any other time, and suggestions otherwise are way off, but as Spur61 says our opinion is no less valid. The club has put itself in this position, nobody else, and all this bollocks of transition, it wouldn't be a transition on the scale it currently is so soon, but for ourselves. That said, its done, and those who made it so had better start delivering, as other clubs have in a similar position while maintaining results, nobody is going to wait for us!...the mob down the road seem to be handling it!
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It just wasn't the right place for it. This was a somewhat lighthearted show of relief about two articles on AVB not being attempts to totally assassinate his credibility with rumour, exaggeration and downright lies, like we've had over the last weeks/months. It had a serious point to it also, Walker's not the first to say how much they're enjoying working under AVB and yet the media and some of our own fans continue to portray the squad as fractured and AVB having no man management skills.

If you want to talk about the club though, how could they have prevented this level of upheaval? Unless they sold Modric and VDV for less than they're worth and started paying whatever other clubs wanted for players I just don't see how it could've happened. Even then you've still got the unpreventable in 2 first choice players out with long term injuries, Modric going on strike, our captain retiring and players missing preseason for the Olympics.
 
Yid Vicious said:
I wasn't trying to belittle what you said, my only intention was to disagree with you on a couple of points and clarify what the articles were about. Apologies if I came across as short, it wasn't my intention. Looking back the sentence about "I told you so's" I was quick to jump on the negativity. I know I quoted you and was replying to you but it was more a reflection on the general negativity that seems to come up on every thread/article/blog about AVB these days.

If you want to talk about the club though, how could they have prevented this level of upheaval? Unless they sold Modric and VDV for less than they're worth and started paying whatever other clubs wanted for players I just don't see how it could've happened. Even then you've still got the unpreventable in 2 first choice players out with long term injuries, Modric going on strike, our captain retiring and players missing preseason for the Olympics.
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As I write this we have just gone 2 up which is promising

Thanks Yid- maybe I too over-reacted - as a lurker I have tended to hold your views in high regard. My point really was that you read so much in the press -some good much bad and so I was trying to say that I will judge AVB on results and not get either up or down on newspaper articles. I start from the "why did we choose AVB" camp but am happy to see him do well and will only get great pleasure if he goes on to become a great manager for us.

As for the upheaval - it is true there was going to be some but as they say forewarned is forearmed and choosing to sack HArry meant we had to be ready to hit the ground running

Now it is 3-0 and AVB is a God :)
 
im really pleased for AVB this evening.

that meant alot to him and the bench...loved his reactions to the goals....and he made some brave decisions today and they paid off.
 
Spurs61 said:
As I write this we have just gone 2 up which is promising

Thanks Yid- maybe I too over-reacted - as a lurker I have tended to hold your views in high regard. My point really was that you read so much in the press -some good much bad and so I was trying to say that I will judge AVB on results and not get either up or down on newspaper articles. I start from the "why did we choose AVB" camp but am happy to see him do well and will only get great pleasure if he goes on to become a great manager for us.

As for the upheaval - it is true there was going to be some but as they say forewarned is forearmed and choosing to sack HArry meant we had to be ready to hit the ground running

Now it is 3-0 and AVB is a God :)
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I didn't want AVB but now he's here it's an exciting risk and the Spurs bias has kicked in too :D

I think with regards to the manager it was good time for us to change. I wanted us to offer 'Arry a new longer contract but eitherway there was going to be upheaval and I'd rather our manager doesn't take his eye off the ball everytime Hodgson loses a game. If we ended up losing 'Arry for whatever reason over the next 2 years someone else would have to come in with the Modric money already spent on an 'Arry style squad with Nelsens and Sahas.
 
It was the first match that AVB has had his whole squad available and we won it reasonably easy. However, the opposition may not have been top notch and we might not fair so well against top teams. Our midfield looked pretty good, we moved the ball quickly and looked threatening although we didn't take our chances which will cost us in closer matches. Defensively we looked poor at times, particularly Walker who I thought was less than impressive at the back, he was far better going forward. Both Gallas and Vertonghen played well and it would have been a different story without them. Annoyingly we conceded the 'late goal' which is becoming habitual. It has bitten us in the last 3 matches and must stop.

The press will have a go at AVB at every opportunity so as fans we have to give him our support. The win today will make things much easier for him thankfully. I don't know if he was really brave or a little late in making changes following Readings half time substitutions but I'm prepared to give him the benifit of the doubt as we won. The next few matches are important for him, beat QPR next week and then win at Old Toilet the press will get off his back and start throwing **** at someone else.

What I would say from a possitive perspective is that the style of football looks good which means AVB won't suffer the fate of Santini or 'the man in the raincoat' and lose his job through boring the **** out of us. I also want him to succeed, it would be like sticking 2 fingers up at the Chavs. I just hope that we have a massive buyout clause in his contract, as in the event that he does for us what he did for Porto, the big teams, particularly big european teams will come sniffing and we would be back to square one. Roll on QPR who I think will be a far more difficult proposition.
 
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