question for athiests

[Declan O'Fuckknuckle]

Fandan, you're getting royally gaped by PNP.

I'd give up

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

What do you mean nothing? So you mean when we die, that's it? Our bodies decay and that's that?

Yep.

So what, you think the human race will never die out or.....?

It almost certainly will.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

You're redefining atheism to suit some bizarre end.
You don't get to chose who's an atheist.
Sorry.
If someone doesn't believe in a god or gods, then by definition they are an atheist.

sorry this shows your lack of understanding of other 'beliefs'. If you look at buddhas explanation of religion then his followers are religious
a lot of buddhists often adopt the local dieties too. so IMO buddhists are not athiest

are you seriously suggeting that athiests concern themselves with religion? I would suggest these are anti-gods


Totally irrelevant.
The theories could all be completely untrue and it wouldn't give any weight at all to yours.

Mine?
are you suggesting athiests dont try and explain the origins of the universe?
and as the OP is asking for the theories this is the only bit that matters

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

sorry this shows your lack of understanding of other 'beliefs'. If you look at buddhas explanation of religion then his followers are religious
a lot of buddhists often adopt the local dieties too. so IMO buddhists are not athiest

You can be a religious atheist, as contradictory as that sounds.
An atheist can believe in supernatural things, as long as they don't believe in a god or gods.

I didn't say that all Buddhists are atheists, by the way.
Some are, some aren't.

are you seriously suggeting that athiests concern themselves with religion? I would suggest these are anti-gods

And you'd be wrong.
Religion is a massive world issue.
Why wouldn't some atheists have an interest in it?

Mine?
are you suggesting athiests dont try and explain the origins of the universe?
and as the OP is asking for the theories this is the only bit that matters

When did I suggest that atheists don't try to explain the origins of the universe?
You've been given various theories by various atheists.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

So in your belief, god must have a source then.
What's the source of god?

you remember all my other comments from other threads etc how come you fail to remember the answer to this?
I have never claimed to know the source of god, I have consistently said that I believe there is a creator (i call him god for th eprurpose of GC and debate, I use Allah normally), I do know from the quran (which I believe is the word of Allah) there is a promise that we will see

You explained your own interpretation of it.
You didn't show any form of outside backing for that interpretation and it's clearly not self-evident.

as i have said on more than one occassion, define your parameters, as otherwise time is lost in consistent nit picking and acts as deflection

As I've already stated, I don't know that there was a start.

and that is ok, you dont know. and you accept that. I need to know

So nobody has offered any theories on here about the start of the universe?
That's clearly untrue.

I was referring to you.
It seems to me athiests are all smug and aggressive and demanding proof for everything
yet have very little in the way of proof for their beliefs, but still get aggressive

See proof is fine and well, If I want to find pout about athiesm from other sources I have google and books etc
I come on here to see what people think using their intelligence/knowledge

 

[Treat Williams]

please could you explain your theories on the beginning of creation

thanks

The Universe is contained within a tear which formed from the duct of an ugly giant. Once it completes it's fall from his cheek and plops on the ground we'll all die.

Can God make a box he cannot lift?

 

[Natchrawldry]

Sorry but I find it difficult to believe that people actually buy into this theorem that the human race will run out and that will be the end of the world for all eternity.

Most of what has been created in this world has its complexities and are due to intelligent design. Surely, something superior to us must have created us to have all these features? The human body, for example, can be put under so much scrutiny and people reckon that we're on this world by chance.

Why do you not believe something will happen after we die?
Do you not think we die for a reason?

Another lamb to the slaughter...

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Sorry but I find it difficult to believe that people actually buy into this theorem that the human race will run out and that will be the end of the world for all eternity.

Most of what has been created in this world has its complexities and are due to intelligent design. Surely, something superior to us must have created us to have all these features? The human body, for example, can be put under so much scrutiny and people reckon that we're on this world by chance.

Intelligent design has been thoroughly debunked.
It makes absolutely no sense, especially when referring to the human body.

The most glaring example of this is the coccyx.
We have a tail bone, but no tail.
Who would put that there on purpose?

Various animals have DNA traces of random, pointless stuff that they shouldn't have, if they were designed.
Chickens have the DNA for teeth, for example.

Why do you not believe something will happen after we die?
Do you not think we die for a reason?

I've seen no evidence of an afterlife, so I don't believe that there is one.
If someone were to show me some proof that one exists, then I'd change my mind.

Do we die for a reason?
Not necessarily, no.

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

I like the Jewish theory

 

[Hugh Briss]

Its not hard
For me a buddhist is not athiest in the true sense, buddha was athiest. modern day buddhists not so i think
True athiesm is not imo a rejection of theism, that to me is anti god. True athiesm doesnt concern itself with theism at all
but, and this is the question in the OP, atheists do concern themselves with how it all started. This is NOT a relgious or theist question
The answers can be theist, but no way is the question related to religion.
The theories put forward, are ludicrous

FFS!

 

[Gambol]

Why all the pointless argument?

The Sun is on the wane and will die in approx 5 million years. Then it's all over. Until then have fun.

 

[Natchrawldry]

Another waste of oxygen on this planet....

Why don't you do everyone a favour and go top yourself?

Because it's a cardinal sin.

 

[Treat Williams]

Why all the pointless argument?

The Sun is on the wane and will die in approx 5 million years. Then it's all over. Until then have fun.

Don't oppress me with your junk science. The sun will rise every day as long as we all will it to.

 

[Hugh Briss]

Stuff happened in space... Atoms and particles and ****... gases, stars & planets...

No God though.

FACT.

This is my effort and yet no over-blown, wind-bag attempt to belittle it?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

You can be a religious atheist, as contradictory as that sounds.
An atheist can believe in supernatural things, as long as they don't believe in a god or gods.

Maybe for me its in the definitions. I think for example that democracy, capitalism can be religions

I didn't say that all Buddhists are atheists, by the way.
Some are, some aren't.

for me buddha was buddhists are not, buddha would be mortified in his 'disciples' imo

And you'd be wrong.
Religion is a massive world issue.
Why wouldn't some atheists have an interest in it?

maybe I need to clarify, I am muslim but I am interested in other religions and belief structures. In all honesty I probably know more about some peoples religions/beliefs than they do (IMO), as I love to study
In that sense I can accept/.understand your point. However in my experience the interest is not the same from the athiests I know. As i have mentioned previously on pother threads, most athiests i know are ex catholic, know nothing about 'religion' or 'god' pers se. Just hate catholicism. They to me are not athiest

When did I suggest that atheists don't try to explain the origins of the universe?
You've been given various theories by various atheists.

It was a question, as that was the impression I was getting
either that or you are avoiding/dodging

I love how its acceptable from your perspetive that 'various theories' have been put forward by 'various athiests'
yet you require hardcore proof, with references

 

[Gambol]

Don't oppress me with your junk science. The sun will rise every day as long as we all will it to.

Keep willing. The sun is running out of fuel. Nothing can stop that.

 

[eddieveeee]

Why all the pointless argument?

The Sun is on the wane and will die in approx 5 million years. Then it's all over. Until then have fun.

well it will be 5 million years and 8 minutes before we notice.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

anyhoo pnp early start tommorrow so will try and pop back

i think youre a bit tedious at times but actually enjoy the 'tussles' with you

its a shame its just over a internet forum, as i think things get lost

 

[Gambol]

well it will be 5 million years and 8 minutes before we notice.

No, the nuclear winters we'll have for a millenia or two before it finally dies might be a bit of a clue.

Most of mankind will be dead long before the sun.

Now, who fancies a sing song?

 

[Natchrawldry]

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