Match Day Thread Preston v QPR

[rangercol]

There are a lot of people attacking Ollie for playing players out of position. I think he has had to go that way at the back or play youngsters he obviously doesn't think are ready. In defence of him on this, by going this way, we have discovered an excellent CB in LB Robinson, and judging on yesterday a very decent RB in winger Pawel.

Don't know why he played Cousins or why he keeps playing Mickie and Conor when there are 2 more prolific strikers on the Bench, but what do I know.

I think everyone has acknowledged that injuries have been a huge problem.

However, that doesn't excuse playing Smith with no wide player one game and then wide players with no centre forward in another. It's tombola tactics and selection and in the end he will lose the dressing room (if he hasn't already).

 

[qprbeth]

I think everyone has acknowledged that injuries have been a huge problem.

However, that doesn't excuse playing Smith with no wide player one game and then wide players with no centre forward in another. It's tombola tactics and selection and in the end he will lose the dressing room (if he hasn't already).

He hasn't lost the dressing room Col..

The result on Monday, and the passion of yesterdays performance...and the passion of Baptistes apparent two yellows tells you that.
Smith made a huge nuisance of himself when he cam on yesterday..... shame it came to naught.

 

[QPAAAAAGH]

Yet again there is acres of commentary on our defensive woes but this continues to deflect from the far more significant problems up front. I know we haven't had a decent goalscorer since Austin departed but the current situation is truly dire.
Smith clearly needs a decent partner to be effective other than as a Hail Mary sub.
I admire Washington's work rate but he has now had ample opportunity to prove himself as a Championship striker and has failed. For whatever reason he simply doesn't convert enough chances.
Sylla has no technique or footballing brain and I struggle to see how he even made it as a pro TBH.
It's now pretty clear that Mackie has shot his bolt sadly.
Given the extent of the injury crisis the remaining defenders and Smithies have worked wonders. On their day our midfield can be the best in the division (although I live in dread of the January window) and, while wingers/wing-backs would be welcome we are capable of creating chances. But we simply don't score enough to benefit from our strengths elsewhere. I know the club is rebuilding from the bottom up but to even stand still for a while we have somehow to find a half-decent striker.

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

You might not be worried about results Paul but there’s a hell of a lot of us who are. Just ‘cos we don’t all agree with you doesn’t make us ‘fickle’.....we also pay our money, go to games and have our opinion.
Personally I think Holloway could very well take us down.....but I really haven’t got an alternative....much a case of damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

Well not a hell of a lot but it’s the same old faces on a small forum who seem he’ll bent on looking for a moan. I have no idea like anyone where we will finish
Sorry but only sing when you’re winning isn’t something I believe in. Even now the anxiety is that we may we’ll go down and that not even 50% into the season . If that’s not fickle what is? Plus of course when the same old faces predicted if we stayed in the division at the start of the season that would be fine

Bollocks to that do we not have 26 games left? I am frustrated when I read the snapshot of opinions on here. Moan about OT threads fine but the football match day threads are getting crazy now .

I have never stopped with fickle culture and here we are getting worse each match and that after a hell of a lot wanted a young hungry team with QPR people running it

Hoof ball etc etc ... clueless fans imo

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

He hasn't lost the dressing room Col..

The result on Monday, and the passion of yesterdays performance...and the passion of Baptistes apparent two yellows tells you that.
Smith made a huge nuisance of himself when he cam on yesterday..... shame it came to naught.

Well said Beth
If fans can’t see the commitment from the players then that’s very sad

Pretty sure you don’t think we will win the league like me ... so why do we go to matches? I don’t do enough nowadays but makes it special like last Monday night
Of course Ollie is running this club and the players are all behind him

 

[sb_73]

Well not a hell of a lot but it’s the same old faces on a small forum who seem he’ll bent on looking for a moan. I have no idea like anyone where we will finish
Sorry but only sing when you’re winning isn’t something I believe in. Even now the anxiety is that we may we’ll go down and that not even 50% into the season . If that’s not fickle what is? Plus of course when the same old faces predicted if we stayed in the division at the start of the season that would be fine

Bollocks to that do we not have 26 games left? I am frustrated when I read the snapshot of opinions on here. Moan about OT threads fine but the football match day threads are getting crazy now .

I have never stopped with fickle culture and here we are getting worse each match and that after a hell of a lot wanted a young hungry team with QPR people running it

Hoof ball etc etc ... clueless fans imo

I think your memory is selective DT. It’s been far worse on here in recent years. Only a couple (or one really that springs to mind) are calling for Holloway to get the sack. No one is really slagging off the players (except me with Mackie) and anyway, slagging off some of the players is part of being a fan. As a kid I used to be amazed by some of the adults around me in Ellerslie Road laying into members of the 75/76 team. Almost everyone is saying that the commitment, and (very) occasionally the football is better than we have seen for years. It’s just fans who are fairly concerned about when we are going to get out of this slump and when we will get over this injury curse. And people are understandably confused about some of the team selections and tactics - which given the results we have been getting is also fair enough.

 

[Hoop-Leif]

If you think that there is a lot of moaning and slagging off going on in this forum then i highly recommend you take a look at a few of the other Qpr forums.

Compared to those, most members on this board are patient, love-spreading superfans

 

[Hoop-Leif]

Ermmm.... 'love-spreading' could be misconstrued by some..... I hope you get what i meant

 

[Staines R's]

Well not a hell of a lot but it’s the same old faces on a small forum who seem he’ll bent on looking for a moan. I have no idea like anyone where we will finish
Sorry but only sing when you’re winning isn’t something I believe in. Even now the anxiety is that we may we’ll go down and that not even 50% into the season . If that’s not fickle what is? Plus of course when the same old faces predicted if we stayed in the division at the start of the season that would be fine

Bollocks to that do we not have 26 games left? I am frustrated when I read the snapshot of opinions on here. Moan about OT threads fine but the football match day threads are getting crazy now .

I have never stopped with fickle culture and here we are getting worse each match and that after a hell of a lot wanted a young hungry team with QPR people running it

Hoof ball etc etc ... clueless fans imo

It might be that some on here are very negative, some will always see the positive and some will be objective but I cant really say that I can point the finger at anyone being ‘fickle’ ?
I always had in mind that the vast majority (if not all) posters on here are pretty steadfast in their views, win or lose....but why shouldn’t the ‘negatives’ sing when we win...or the ‘positives’ moan if we lose.....that really isn’t ‘fickle’....that’s being a fan, surely.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

........................ It’s just fans who are fairly concerned about when we are going to get out of this slump and when we will get over this injury curse. And people are understandably confused about some of the team selections and tactics - which given the results we have been getting is also fair enough.

Agree with the latter point but why the need for the vitriol at the manager every time we lose? He is not responsible for the injuries or the awful luck we seem to have at the moment. That goes well beyond mere concern from fans about our current slump in form. .Abuse doesn't work. Nor does leaving early or booing. Debate and constructive criticism does and in that regard it would be helpful if the club in its post match interviews actually asked for explanations in order that we might understand why particular players are playing at all and why others are played out of position. All we ever seem to get are a series of leading questions taken from a pc agenda for idiot interviewers culminating in a final question praising the fans who pitch up for their 'incredible' vocal support.

 

[sb_73]

Agree with the latter point but why the need for the vitriol at the manager every time we lose? He is not responsible for the injuries or the awful luck we seem to have at the moment. That goes well beyond mere concern from fans about our current slump in form. .Abuse doesn't work. Nor does leaving early or booing. Debate and constructive criticism does and in that regard it would be helpful if the club in its post match interviews actually asked for explanations in order that we might understand why particular players are playing at all and why others are played out of position. All we ever seem to get are a series of leading questions taken from a pc agenda for idiot interviewers culminating in a final question praising the fans who pitch up for their 'incredible' vocal support.

I don’t think I’ve been abusing him Yorkie, except when he does something stupid like that rant at early leavers. I think he is delivering exactly what I would expect of him. I can’t think of anyone else realistic to take over, and the club needs stability, if we keep changing first team coach we’ll never know if the work Les and Ramsey are doing is any good.

 

[rangercol]

Well not a hell of a lot but it’s the same old faces on a small forum who seem he’ll bent on looking for a moan. I have no idea like anyone where we will finish
Sorry but only sing when you’re winning isn’t something I believe in. Even now the anxiety is that we may we’ll go down and that not even 50% into the season . If that’s not fickle what is? Plus of course when the same old faces predicted if we stayed in the division at the start of the season that would be fine

Bollocks to that do we not have 26 games left? I am frustrated when I read the snapshot of opinions on here. Moan about OT threads fine but the football match day threads are getting crazy now .

I have never stopped with fickle culture and here we are getting worse each match and that after a hell of a lot wanted a young hungry team with QPR people running it

Hoof ball etc etc ... clueless fans imo

Bob isn't clueless and he agrees with me. That's good enough for me.

 

[rangercol]

Agree with the latter point but why the need for the vitriol at the manager every time we lose? He is not responsible for the injuries or the awful luck we seem to have at the moment. That goes well beyond mere concern from fans about our current slump in form. .Abuse doesn't work. Nor does leaving early or booing. Debate and constructive criticism does and in that regard it would be helpful if the club in its post match interviews actually asked for explanations in order that we might understand why particular players are playing at all and why others are played out of position. All we ever seem to get are a series of leading questions taken from a pc agenda for idiot interviewers culminating in a final question praising the fans who pitch up for their 'incredible' vocal support.

I don't see any abuse of Ollie. Most agree that he's got the club at heart and the players fighting.
Some of us are just frustrated with the mind-numbing selections and tactics at times.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

I don’t think I’ve been abusing him Yorkie, except when he does something stupid like that rant at early leavers. I think he is delivering exactly what I would expect of him. I can’t think of anyone else realistic to take over, and the club needs stability, if we keep changing first team coach we’ll never know if the work Les and Ramsey are doing is any good.

I know you haven't. I was commenting on your post and not criticising your behaviour. But others have. But then it's difficult to know why they bother supporting our club as they announce when they are leaving early, return to vent their bile at the end of the game, did n't much like the previous manager or the one before that.

 

[Staines R's]

I know you haven't. I was commenting on your post and not criticising your behaviour. But others have. But then it's difficult to know why they bother supporting our club as they announce when they are leaving early, return to vent their bile at the end of the game, did n't much like the previous manager or the one before that.

Are you referring to anyone on here ? Or fans who sit near you ?
I’m genuinely confused

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

I think your memory is selective DT. It’s been far worse on here in recent years. Only a couple (or one really that springs to mind) are calling for Holloway to get the sack. No one is really slagging off the players (except me with Mackie) and anyway, slagging off some of the players is part of being a fan. As a kid I used to be amazed by some of the adults around me in Ellerslie Road laying into members of the 75/76 team. Almost everyone is saying that the commitment, and (very) occasionally the football is better than we have seen for years. It’s just fans who are fairly concerned about when we are going to get out of this slump and when we will get over this injury curse. And people are understandably confused about some of the team selections and tactics - which given the results we have been getting is also fair enough.

It has been worse on here without doubt
The Harold times were very hard to take
But on here we have records so no selection needed. Human memories are never 100% true. I see our current team as a side just 20 games ago not about to show passion etc etc and expected to struggle all season

Holloway started playing a high pressing games and instantly we looked better
18 games later we have beaten the best in the current league and competing

Nope not having it
First chance they get we get talk of being relegated and the manager losing the dressing room ... that’s plain anxiety in my book fluffed up to be concern. The same people then go OTT when we win

People have opinions I respect that but I hope a few on here don’t get mugged off by the negative. The very fans that wanted the current situation away from Ramsey Redknapp Hughes are now turning on the very thing they asked for.

I hated Redknapp from the off and a few of us knew it would end the way it did

This club is screaming out for stability

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

It might be that some on here are very negative, some will always see the positive and some will be objective but I cant really say that I can point the finger at anyone being ‘fickle’ ?
I always had in mind that the vast majority (if not all) posters on here are pretty steadfast in their views, win or lose....but why shouldn’t the ‘negatives’ sing when we win...or the ‘positives’ moan if we lose.....that really isn’t ‘fickle’....that’s being a fan, surely.

My definition of a fan shouldn’t be worth anymore or any less. But on this forum which I use just to vent ... same as anyone I see some patterns and some very fickle fans

20 games in from no expectations and we what do we get ... expectations and calls for change to change what? Oh that would be new expectations because we are about to be relegated with 26 games left ! Jesus

We then tactical ideas and opinions ... fine
They certainly give me a laugh

Scapegoats are then next ... the blame game

I seriously think we are on a par with Arsenal supporters when it comes to the moaners league. If people can’t see the decline of the QPR fan base then they are blind

 

[rangercol]

My definition of a fan shouldn’t be worth anymore or any less. But on this forum which I use just to vent ... same as anyone I see some patterns and some very fickle fans

20 games in from no expectations and we what do we get ... expectations and calls for change to change what? Oh that would be new expectations because we are about to be relegated with 26 games left ! Jesus

We then tactical ideas and opinions ... fine
They certainly give me a laugh

Scapegoats are then next ... the blame game

I seriously think we are on a par with Arsenal supporters when it comes to the moaners league. If people can’t see the decline of the QPR fan base then they are blind

Blah de blah de bloody blah.

 

[QPR Oslo]

I think everyone has acknowledged that injuries have been a huge problem.

However, that doesn't excuse playing Smith with no wide player one game and then wide players with no centre forward in another. It's tombola tactics and selection and in the end he will lose the dressing room (if he hasn't already).

From the live streams from a long way off it looks like the players are giving everything. Can't believe Ollie has lost the dressing room. I find it hard to understand many of his selections, up front in particular, but there are many positives. The effort the players give is enormous, Baptiste was a f****** giant yesterday, and there have been many performances like that. I mentioned Robinson and Pawel, I should also have given credit for giving Chair 90 minute's - he looks a really good prospect and certainly a good replacement for Freeman or Luongo now.

 

[rangercol]

From the live streams from a long way off it looks like the players are giving everything. Can't believe Ollie has lost the dressing room. I find it hard to understand many of his selections, up front in particular, but there are many positives. The effort the players give is enormous, Baptiste was a f****** giant yesterday, and there have been many performances like that. I mentioned Robinson and Pawel, I should also have given credit for giving Chair 90 minute's - he looks a really good prospect and certainly a good replacement for Freeman or Luongo now.

I didn't say that I thought he'd lost the dressing room. I was putting it out there that eventually the players will get totally fed up with all the different tactics, formations and being played out of position.
I agree that Ollie has got them fighting which I've said repeatedly.
The problem is that certain people on here like to WUM and stir the pot. They say that those of us that criticise Ollie for his selections and tactics are actually saying that he should be sacked etc. I've never said that he should be sacked................yet.

Most players, especially the type of players we have, generally like routine and to know what their jobs are. They must get confused at times and I just want Ollie to simplify things till we get up the league at least.