That means that Wales has changed its vote as well and is staying in
Well done H.
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Well done H.
Yeah, those born in the early 60's are really the very tail end of the boomers.
I don't know that I think the boomers had it easy. I just think that era has changed. In those days, it was really super important to buy a house, and (in the US at least) have a car, have two kids by 35 and raise them in the nice, clean suburbs. That's how I grew up, and I can't complain. My parents did right by me, and sacrificed tremendously to get me where I'm at. I have tremendous respect for what they did.
And, I think part of the deal was that you know, you save up for the suburban house and picket fence for your children and you give them the best possible. Then, when you are old, having done your part for your children and society in general the government + your pension plan will take care of you. And your kids will help out as well.
Except that the pension plans went bankrupt and the government doesn't have the money. Bad investments, corruption, plus the fact that everyone lives longer means they don't have the retirement money they planned for. And there's so few Gen X'ers compared to the boomers so it's hard for that few to take care of so many.
So they were lied to. I get why they are frustrated. They did everything right, and the economy and politicians let them down. But they aren't just concerned about their retirement but their also kids' retirement. They were hoping to maybe have a little nest egg to pass on, but it's gone. And if they can't get their pensions and government help, what's going to happen to the next generation?
Except I don't think my generation of X'ers or the millenials wants the same things. My dad is aghast you know, that so many millenials nowadays don't have homes or cars. But they've don't see real estate as the ultimate safe planning investment anymore. They've seen the housing bubble burst. They don't want private pensions or to put taxes into government pension programs because they've seen how useless they are. They know they won't get it back.
I realize that's a bit of an over-generalization as most things are when you talk about full generations. But I think there's some general trend that exists.
There is a notion that the security lies in stability and bunkering down. Invest in a house, and no matter how bad things get, you'll still have that house. Learn a trade/skill and maybe working in a steel mill isn't the greatest job but your dad did it, and then you did it, and there will always be a need for steel and concrete and farming, etc.
Each succeeding generation is less wedded to those notions. I think the modern 20-ish person just starting out on their own sees the ultimate security in being mobile. Don't move out to the suburbs, live in the city where there's more happening and more job opportunities. Don't buy a house that ties you down to an area and then you might end up underwater. Don't start cranking out kids at 25, it's too risky. Wait until you've got money, then maybe have 1. Or 2, tops. Get money while the getting is good, and if things change, be able to go somewhere else or change careers, location, whatever at an instant.
Young people also like travel and adventure are kind of risk takers, too. I mean, yeah that's part of it. But I think it mostly comes down to the bunker/mobile mentality. Older people are really interested in making Britain strong, as that's their home and their bunker. And they think they can accomplish that. Younger people are maybe a bit more pessimistic about it. Like "Hey, I like my country and all but I can't be sure that things won't go tits up, so I need to be able to work anywhere in Europe. I'll stay here if I can. But if I need to go, I'm gone. I'll still have the internet. I can still travel back to England if I want. I just don't want to be TIED to England."
Therefore, older people think things have gone off-track and want to get them back on-track. Younger people think things have already gone off the rails and want to adjust to the new reality. Older people want things for younger people that the older people think are important for their future, but the younger people believe in other things. And when it comes to who is right, older people think they have the wisdom of their years, younger people think they are stuck in the past with antiquated ideas.
This is nothing new. But again, I think the problem is there are so many boomers compared to the generations around them that maybe they have a bit more influence than they should.
Mrs Godders and I are on an old gits holiday and I am stunned by people's lack of comprehension of what they have done. I am pissed off with people telling me they wanted their country back. Well the country they are going to get is nothing like any thing they have ever imagined. I believe we should now freeze all pensions, dispense with the bus pass and cancel all winter fuel payments. The money saved should then be used to upskill our kids to give them a chance. I am so pissed off with selfish stupid old gits. The bastards should be made to pay for their stupidity.
And so it begins. Really sorry to hear that KG. Hope you manage to sort something out quickly.
What do you mean "and so it begins" that decision will have been made months and months ago and will have nowt to do with referendum.
I agree the decision will have been made before the result but the result, in my opinion, has caused it's implementation.
It could've been a decision that was dependant on the result of the Referendum, you don't know that Beddy...There will be jobs lost due to pulling out of Europe, I know that the Prince's Trust that is partly funded by the EU will have to review it's finances.
To be honest it would be doubtful for them to actually give a date if they were waiting for the result. They will have had to put things in place previously. So it would have happened whatever the out come of the referendum.
I feel sorry for the chap but as I said earlier as one door closes another will surely open.
The doors may not open if the country goes into a recession and unemployment rises as many economic forecasters predict.
As it's not until April that gives them plenty of time to put things in place so I'll stick by my opinion but unless someone knows one of the bosses we will never know.
One of my main reasons for voting remain was the threat of people losing their jobs.
I genuinely would have felt guilty putting a tick in the leave box, knowing that my vote could put someone out of work.
I genuinely would have felt guilty putting a tick in the leave box, knowing that my vote could put someone out of work.
My pension just went down by about 10% as its hooked into the FTSE and Wall St. Thanks very much, Brexit voters!
Agree with you here, Godders!!
As far as I'm concerned. This thread now has no place on this forum. It's easy for the mods to say ignore it but curiosity gets the better of people. We are all passionate about Southampton but reading some of the things that have been posted on here in the last few days should not be on a football forum. It's ok saying that nothing personal has been posted but having a discussion on here and at certain times having to read posts about accusing people of being thick racists imo although no names are mentioned is personal because it's directed at people using this forum. I am now requesting that as this is a sports forum there is no need to have this thread. It's served its purpose and it's time to close it.
Think yourself lucky your in a position to have such a pension. Some of us live day to day with no such luxuries.
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